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Offline Nypsy

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Air Shows and danger.
« on: September 19, 2011, 05:31:07 PM »
The recent crash at Reno reminded me of the first and only time I took my wife to an air show.

This was at Sussex Airport in northwest NJ. A small local field in 1982, I am guessing the year.

When I say Sussex was small, I mean small. We all set up chairs in the grass along the runway and watched the show, right in front of us, almost over us and sometimes right on the runway as the Flying Farmer would land his Cub on a flatbed truck.

The show started with the Army Golden Knights parachute drop, with a couple T6's circling them.

As the chutes and the planes get lower, the T6's are getting louder, props are popping at times, I hear my wife say, "This is dangerous."

"What?" is my snappy reply.

"This is dangerous and I want to leave now!"

Now I never once thought of danger while at an air show, I am too mesmerized by the sights and sounds. I was flabbergasted.

"Leave?! The show just started!", I point out while pointing up at a T6 right overhead.

"I want to leave now."

We left, she was scared and it was not fair to subject her to that type of situation.

Thinking about my wife's fear made me realize that, heck yeah air shows are dangerous. Did I stop going? Heck no.

Not trying to make any kind of a point really. Just telling a tail about seeing the world through anothers eyes.
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Re: Air Shows and danger.
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 05:39:36 PM »
We all have our opinions.

Many of us want to be in the thick of things...... usually knowledgeable about the dangers. Always keeping an eye out for that one wrong move.

With airshows and car races... it happens really quick.

The worst part after loss of life is the fact that folks were looking for entertainment. Something that makes them happy. To go from permagrin to such an awful occurrence in a split second is almost unfathomable.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 05:53:28 PM »
Driving to work is technically dangerous.  I'll take the relative danger to enjoy something I like.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 06:09:02 PM »
The recent crash at Reno reminded me of the first and only time I took my wife to an air show.

This was at Sussex Airport in northwest NJ. A small local field in 1982, I am guessing the year.

When I say Sussex was small, I mean small. We all set up chairs in the grass along the runway and watched the show, right in front of us, almost over us and sometimes right on the runway as the Flying Farmer would land his Cub on a flatbed truck.

The show started with the Army Golden Knights parachute drop, with a couple T6's circling them.

As the chutes and the planes get lower, the T6's are getting louder, props are popping at times, I hear my wife say, "This is dangerous."

"What?" is my snappy reply.

"This is dangerous and I want to leave now!"

Now I never once thought of danger while at an air show, I am too mesmerized by the sights and sounds. I was flabbergasted.

"Leave?! The show just started!", I point out while pointing up at a T6 right overhead.

"I want to leave now."

We left, she was scared and it was not fair to subject her to that type of situation.

Thinking about my wife's fear made me realize that, heck yeah air shows are dangerous. Did I stop going? Heck no.

Not trying to make any kind of a point really. Just telling a tail about seeing the world through an others eyes.

By far, the most dangerous thing you and your wife did that day was drive to and from the airshow. 



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Re: Air Shows and danger.
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 06:27:52 PM »
By far, the most dangerous thing you and your wife did that day was drive to and from the airshow. 

True, but I think his point is that many of us enthusiasts attending Air Shows, with our heads/eyes/thoughts stuck in the sky, fail to realise just how dangerous and aishow can be, and many of us should acknowledge that fact as well as (although this might just be my spin on things) admire and respect the effort that goes into the hundreds across the nation that are performed every year without incident.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 06:35:02 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 06:41:23 PM »
Exacty what you said "hundreds across the nation that are performed every year without incident" and then this happens, the news media starts reporting without the facts, whips up the sensationalism, and loses track of reality.  How about the 40,000 people a year killed in car wrecks in the U.S.?  

Did anyone see Fox News today when Megan Kelly, in her typical sensationalism, explained the difference between Mr. Leeward's Mustang and an unmodified Mustang by showing a side by side picture of a P-51A and P-51D that both appeared to be in stock configuration?  Complete and grossly inaccurate reporting on her part.  :x



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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 06:57:19 PM »
Exacty what you said "hundreds across the nation that are performed every year without incident" and then this happens, the news media starts reporting without the facts, whips up the sensationalism, and loses track of reality.  How about the 40,000 people a year killed in car wrecks in the U.S.?  

Did anyone see Fox News today when Megan Kelly, in her typical sensationalism, explained the difference between Mr. Leeward's Mustang and an unmodified Mustang by showing a side by side picture of a P-51A and P-51D that both appeared to be in stock configuration?  Complete and grossly inaccurate reporting on her part.  :x

No, no I didn't, but if you got an email address that Fox actually listens to, I'll gladly join the lynch mob pointing out her gross inaccuracies.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 07:04:46 PM »
Big respect to you for understanding how your wife felt and leaving to make her feel safer. Even though clearly you really wanted to stay for yourself. Afterall, a husband's job is to protect the family, not to scare it. I hope she appreciates your sacrifice.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 07:21:42 PM »
     I used to go to Sussex almost every year <lived in Roxbury> and that show was a bit unusual.  The field itself
was too small for the usual crowd seperation, but Paul Styger had an exemption from the FAA.  As far as I know, the
exemption ended either because he died or because he was convicted of embezzling FAA funds in 2009.

     If your wife thought being at the field was unusual, I wonder how she would have felt about being on "Freeloader's
Hill" where the performers came literally overhead  :lol

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 07:38:08 PM »
Driving to work is technically dangerous.  I'll take the relative danger to enjoy something I like.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 11:14:18 PM »
No, no I didn't, but if you got an email address that Fox actually listens to, I'll gladly join the lynch mob pointing out her gross inaccuracies.

mailto:Kelly@foxnews.com
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Re: Air Shows and danger.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 12:21:11 AM »
Big respect to you for understanding how your wife felt and leaving to make her feel safer. Even though clearly you really wanted to stay for yourself. Afterall, a husband's job is to protect the family, not to scare it. I hope she appreciates your sacrifice.

Well said.  Family first.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 12:40:23 AM »
I agree, airshows and airplanes in general are dangerous. However, so is everything else, just the level of danger changes. Humans tent to be scared of what they don't understand, I say that's the main reason of such things. I say if your really think that you should stay away from everything that is dangerous than build yourself an underground bunker that can withstand a nuclear exploration and live there, technically even that will be dangerous as you might has miscalculated on your lifetime supply of air, food or water.

I fly few times a week and I don't see it as something super dangerous. Technically for me the drive to the airport is a lot more dangerous as I decide to forget about the existence of speed limits and focus my attention on the nearby flying aircraft (I might be exaggerating it a bit but you get the point).

I am not saying that you should be doing things that you think are dangerous, if you don't like something don't do it. Nypsy, I think you did the right thing for leaving on that day and for continuing to go to airshows after that (because you like it).

Every time you hear about an airplane crash it's sad, but the pilot died doing what he loved. There are way too many crashed and fatalities to feel sorry for all of them. If you do, you'll go crazy.
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Re: Air Shows and danger.
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 12:51:58 AM »
I was at Reno this past Friday and saw the accident first hand..

Will I be at the races again next year if they continue? You're damn right I will.. I still love aviation and the races regardless of the risks, and I strongly believe most of the people that were at the show Friday afternoon feel the same way.

If people aren't willing to take the risk, don't show up.. Plain and simple..


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