Community Opinions please - Have a look Wilks

[mechanic]

Tonight in the AvA was alot of fun. The setup is great and the people flying were even better. One black mark tarnished the fun for me. Well infact two but both related to the same instance. The first incident is right at the start of the following film. The second is right at the end of it. (inbetween are some nice fights 109 vs spitfire if anyone is interested.)

AvA Italy 22/9/11  - Click here for film.


Be careful to note the text conversations. It's about 15 mins long. I'd be happy to have someone point out what I did wrong, or for someone to qualify what happens at the end of the sortie. I know it wont often help matters bringing it to the boards usualy but this time I think an example needs to be set to certain people. I was very dissapointed in this simply for one reason. Someone was spiteful and angry when everyone else was being corteous and fun. I don't expect the person invovled will take any notice, but if he did maybe it would help to improve the atmosphere for everyone. Most of all Iwas just shocked at how utterly unreasonable the whole situation seemed from my perspective!

batfink
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PS: on a possitive note, anyone learning 109s may benefit from the fights here  

[Nr_RaVeN]

Off point here BATFINK....... But great fights with you last night..  ...
 PS. you do know i hesitated when I saw what you were wearing on those 109's..... no fair....

[Big Rat]

First let me stat I'm not an AvA regular by any means, only come in from time to time.  Sometimes things are good sometimes not.  Last Jet week was bad, last time I took the squad in, was good. 

Bat, The first encounter, I would have done the same.  He turned into you and never did try to extend, even when there were a few outs.  If I'm outa ammo and get a chance on an out, I'm out.  Granted there are times where the fight is uneven and you can't get an out with no ammo, (the time I parked my no ammo A20 behind a 190 A5, becouse it was the safest place ), but this wasn't the case.  The vulch at the end was lame, if he wanted a fight he could have let you reup as he circled away from the field.

I think the positive note here is, hang on let me put on my trainer cap.  When engaging a con from the rear or other position of nose away, where they have to break into you to start a fight, and you have a superior E-state.  Why try to follow their break turn low into you?  If he's breaking low and you have more speed our alt or both, why not simply pull up into a high YO YO, reaquire and repounce from a higher alt position as he turns below you burning E.  When you follow you are falling into a trap, that Bat knows very well,  you with higher speed will be forced to the outside of his turn if you try to follow.  Basically he's forcing an overshoot, without you realizing it's happening.  A spit can't bleed speed nearly as well as a 109.  Once he has you forced outside of his turn enough, it's a simple barrel roll toward your aircraft to finish the overshoot.  If your lucky, you slowed down enough that you may be in a disadvantaged rolling scissors, and may yet be able to get the fight possibly back to neutral.  So remember this as a rule of thumb, Low defensive break should be countered with a high offensive break. 

 
BigRat   

[mechanic]

Raven, you shot me down alot in that fm2, those were some really good fun and difficult fights. I love that skin! We both had a disadvantage, you were flying an RAF skin so I was fighitng my home country!

BigRat, great write up on the training side thanks. I promise that I am not in any way bothered about being vulched, I just found it to be exceptionaly hypocritical. Perhaps from other points of view the situation seemed justified. This was just how it looked from my view. One thing I find very important is that when I am flying in an online arena I try to make sure I add to the fun of others as well as making sure I have fun. The arena was full of people like that last night, sharing the good vibe and having mutual fun. The whole argument to me seemed deeply ironic.

[Devil 505]

Geez Batfink, did your spat with "thou who shalt not be named" have to include my worst 2 fights of the night? Man, I'm an easy kill. 

Back on topic. Yes Your opponent was out of line. Wicked lame.

[LCADolby]

<- Not a fan of Wilks. I called him a scummer not 2 days ago for his desperate must get a kill actions.

But on a lighthearted note, Devil505. Had me giggling from the chase cam on Bat's 109 when you went all agricultural.  "Damn Tree"

[Devil 505]

Its easier to type "damn tree" than "my right handed flat turn was really 30 degrees nose down and I didnt realise it until I heard the Keebler elves yelling at me "Pull up!"

[Chilli]

I think I taught Devil505 that maneuver   

Actually, I was expecting much worse Batfink.  There is no set standard of conduct for any of the 24 hour arenas.  However, I do protest any form of vulch in the AvA unless required to protect troops.  The fields are usually laid out so close together, and it is too easy to get cheap kills this way.  In a base capture  unfortunately, it is the rule of the game. 

The only other point gathered from viewing the film was maybe a little pot calling the kettle ......     Looked like mostly having a good time.  The chat was very tame however..... now that I am glad to see.  You sir, did an outstanding job.  And though your sortie was ended in a less glorious fashion, those that flew with and against were mindful of your presence.  Some days that is the best that we can ask for.

Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I get muted at least twice a month by HTC. 

Come back and hope to see you there soon.

LOLz, Devil5 you owe those elves a new home ........  (nice visual, lmao) 
 

[Tyrannis]

I want my 262 back 

[mechanic]

ppssstttt....don't anyone tell devil how much easier to turn the 109f is than the spit IX 

I shouldnt have posted really. I was frustrated not about the vulch, but about what the person thought of my conduct.

[Chilli]

I enjoyed the film and actually to me it shows what I have been saying for years.  The AvA with 4 or 5 pilots in it, is way more exciting than most MA with 300+ players.  Thanks for posting and to be fair to Wilks, the action does get intense.  I have been in more 3 to 4 minute one on one battles there than at anytime in the DA.  And yes it gets down and dirty in the weeds a lot of the time with close bases.