Potentially Competive fighters for the LWA

[Karnak]

One thing I see that many people here seem to want out of a new fighter is for it to be competitive in the LWA.  There are, in my opinion, very few fighters left to be added that meet that criteria.  In that vein, I created this list of fighters that are not in the game that might be competitve or semi-competitive.  I hope this list makes it clear why so few competitive fighters get added now.

Competitive new airframe fighters:

G.55 Low production Italian fighter that received praise for its handling.
He162A A rapidly designed jet fighter that was too hard to fly for the untested pilots assigned to but reputed to be very maneuverable in veteran hands.  This would be perked.
Yak-3 The supreme dogfighter of the Eastern Front.

Semi-competitive new airframe fighters:

J2M3 or J2M5 A short ranged, well armed and rapid climbing interceptor. American pilots praised its handling in post war test flights.  Had fowler flaps with a trigger on the stick for combat use.
Ki-44-II A short ranges, moderately armed and rapid climbing interceptor.  One version armed with 40mm recoilless cannon.
Me410A A multi-role heavy fighter with many armament options.
P-61B The first purpose built nightfighter.  Very agile for its size and armed with four 20mm M2 cannon and four .50 Brownings.  Relatively slow speed being its weakness.

Competitive new airframe fighters that debatably meet what are understood to be the inclusion requirements:

Meteor Mk III The only Allied jet to see service it was armed with four Hispano Mk II cannons.  More maneuverable, faster climbing and longer ranged than the Me262, but also much slower at only 490mph.
P-63A A late war Bell fighter that may have seen some combat in Soviet hands against the Japanese.
Re.2005 A very low production Italian fighter with good performance.  Less than a full squadron built.

Competitive new airframe fighters that do not meet what are understood to be the inclusion requirements:

A7M2 The successor to the Zero, changing customer demands and an earthquake delayed its arrival.  No combat, only seven production aircraft were built.  It is highly unlikely adequate flight data exists for this fighter to be modeled.
Do335 Dornier's innovative entry into the two engined fighter.  Very fast and well armed.  This would be a perk plane.
F7F This was a twin engined fighter for the US Navy well armed with four 20mm cannon and four .50 machine guns.  It was in squadron use and embarked for Japan when the war ended. This would be a perk plane.
F8F The Bearcat was a high performance US Navy fighter armed with four Browning .50 machine guns. It was in squadron use and embarked for Japan when the war ended. This would be a perk plane.
YP-80 The closest an American jet got to service was the Shooting Star prototype.  Four were sent to Europe for service pilots to give feedback on, but none were used in combat. This would be a perk plane.

[Karnak]

Variants of existing fighters that would be competitive:

Bf109G-10 An attempt to consolidate Bf109G versions this fighter has performance below that of the K-4 and entered service after the K-4.
Bf109G-14/AS This version had a high blown engine and much improved handling at altitude.
Ki-84-Ib This version of the Ki-84 has four 20mm Ho-5 cannons and possibly a slightly uprated engine.  It might be a low end perk plane.
Spitfire Mk XII The first Griffon powered Spitfire, low blown Griffon IIB rated at 1,730hp, clipped wings.

Variants of existing fighters that would be semi-competitve:

Bf109G-6/AS This version had a high blown engine and much improved handling at altitude.
F6F-3 Earlier version of the Hellcat with slightly worse performance
Fw190A-9 An improved BMW engined Fw190.
Ju88G-7 Late fighter version of the Ju88, fast with good firepower.
Ki-61-II A slightly uprated Ki-61.
Ki-100 A slightly uprated Ki-61 with a radial engine.
Mosquito Mk 30 Final fighter version of WWII, high blown engines, more cannon ammo, no machine guns and no bomb bay.
N1K1-J Older version of the N1K2-J with mid-wings, less ammo and a different tail.
Seafire Mk III The main prodution model of Seafire with 1,220 built, powered by a Merlin 55 or low blown Merlin 55M.  First coplete carrier adapation of the Spitfire.
P-47D-22 A version with improved performance and ordnance over the P-47D-11. (I am mystified why this keeps getting requested)

Competive variants of existing fighters that debatably meet what are understood to be the inclusion requirements:

Spitfire F.21 The final Spitfire of WWII and the only WWII Spitfire to get the redesigned wings, was powered by the 2,035hp Griffon 61.  Saw only limited combat, sinking a German minisub.  This fighter would be perked.
Yak-9UT Yak-9 powered by the same VK-107 engine in the Yak-9U but armed with with two 20mm B-20 cannon in the cowl and a 23mm NS-23 in the nose. This may be a perk fighter.

Competitve variants of existing fighters that do not meet what are understood to be the inclusion requirements:

Fw190D-11 Armed with two 20mm and two 30mm cannons in the wings and powered by an uprated engine this fighter might be perked.
P-51H A lightend, cleaned up Mustang.  Very fast, but missed seeing combat though it was in service with fighter squadrons before the war ended.  This would be a perk plane.
Seafire Mk XV The first Griffon powered Seafire, low blown Griffon VI rated for 1,820hp at 2,000ft, it had poor deck handling.

[Tyrannis]

-1000 to anything with "spit" or "fire" in its name.


Everything else gets a +1.

[Karnak]

-1000 to anything with "spit" or "fire" in its name.


Everything else gets a +1.

Your vapid comments don't help.

[lengro]

Interesting compilation there, thanks Karnak.

[PFactorDave]

mmmmm

Ki84-Ib, now that would be a plane I would spend my pile of perkies on.

[MachFly]

Interesting

Where would you put the Mig-3?

[MachFly]

-1000 to anything with "spit" or "fire" in its name.

So what made you come to that decision? 

[Karnak]

Where would you put the Mig-3?

I would put the MiG-3 as not remotely competitive in the LWA.

So what made you come to that decision?  

EDIT:  Ok, that was overly harsh.  He doesn't try to limit his bias, rather he wallows in it.

[Tyrannis]

So what made you come to that decision? 

Besides my burning hatred for them, We have enough models of them in game right now, Including one perked spit. What need would we have to add MORE?

[MachFly]

I would put the MiG-3 as not remotely competitive in the LWA.

Right, I did not realize you posted only the super-late war fighter. However I do think that the Mig-3 will be able to hold it's own with our current late war airplane set.

[MachFly]

Besides my burning hatred for them, We have enough models of them in game right now, Including one perked spit. What need would we have to add MORE?

Well your not screaming that we don't need any 109s or P-47s....

[Tyrannis]

Well your not screaming that we don't need any 109s or P-47s....

P47s and 109s arent as big of a nuisence as the spits. but i dont like the idea of them ether if you want the truth

[Karnak]

Right, I did not realize you posted only the super-late war fighter. However I do think that the Mig-3 will be able to hold it's own with our current late war airplane set.

How?  It is a poor handling, slow, massively undergunned fighter in comparison to the common LWA fighters.  It was not successful in WWII in 1941, what would change if it were put into the LWA 1945 free for all?  The C.202 out guns it.

[save]

All these might not fit the late war ,but can do very good in scenarios, also a challenge with high eny for some rides.
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