Potentially Competive fighters for the LWA

[Karnak]

save,

Could you please delete that list?  I am trying to keep this limited to the fighters that are competitive in the LWA in a normal player's hands.  This is not a "wishlist" thread.  I am trying to get people to realize how few new LWA competitive fighters are still left, basically three uncontroversial ones.  Your list is rife with early war, bombers and tanks that have no bearing.

[FBCrabby]

+10 just for the fact we would get more seaplanes

[Ack-Ack]

Your vapid comments don't help.

You have to remember that tyrannus is on a quest to have the Spitfires removed from the DA.

ack-ack

[Karnak]

You have to remember that tyrannus is on a quest to have the Spitfires removed from the DA.

ack-ack

I did not know that.  Considering that they are some of the more enjoyable dueling aircraft, particularly if you dump the 20mm ammo first, that is pretty absurd.

[MachFly]

How?  It is a poor handling, slow, massively undergunned fighter in comparison to the common LWA fighters.  It was not successful in WWII in 1941, what would change if it were put into the LWA 1945 free for all?  The C.202 out guns it.

How do you know that it's poor handling? I was not able to find any information on it's handling characteristics.
I would not call it slow because it's top speed is almost 400mph, it's performance also does not deteriorate with altitude as much as most other Russian fighters. I think the reason why it was unsuccessful was because Russia was loosing in the beginning of the war in general (not just the air war), also Germany had better pilots and more planes (this one I'm not sure about). Even though the guns are not the most powerful I still don't think that it will be a problem, look at Yak-9U for example.

[Karnak]

MiG-3 had a 12.7mm and two 7.92mm guns.  The Yak-9U has more firepower left after it runs out of 20mm ammo.

As to handling, one of the MiG-3's problems was that the engine was not really suited to fighters.  It was too large and too heavy which is why it's nose is so long and why it was not noted for good handling.

The MiG-3's only virtue, really, is that it was fast at altitude.  I have seen the MiG-3 used as a counter point to the "If it looks right it will fly right" quip.

[W7LPNRICK]

  Perdy! 

[MachFly]

MiG-3 had a 12.7mm and two 7.92mm guns.  The Yak-9U has more firepower left after it runs out of 20mm ammo.

As to handling, one of the MiG-3's problems was that the engine was not really suited to fighters.  It was too large and too heavy which is why it's nose is so long and why it was not noted for good handling.

The MiG-3's only virtue, really, is that it was fast at altitude.  I have seen the MiG-3 used as a counter point to the "If it looks right it will fly right" quip.

For some reason I thought it had a 20mm & 2 12.7mm, good to know.

[Tyrannis]

(Image removed from quote.)  Perdy! 

Only one saw an actual flight in a warzone, with no kills or ground attack done.  

[Karnak]

Only one saw an actual flight in a warzone, with no kills or ground attack done.  

Hence it's location in my list.  That said, Pyro did say HTC never really says "never" other than about the nuke.

Still, even if it does someday get added I'd hope for the stuff that actually fought to be added first.

[-aper-]

MiG-3 had a 12.7mm and two 7.92mm guns.  The Yak-9U has more firepower left after it runs out of 20mm ammo.

As to handling, one of the MiG-3's problems was that the engine was not really suited to fighters.  It was too large and too heavy which is why it's nose is so long and why it was not noted for good handling.

The MiG-3's only virtue, really, is that it was fast at altitude.  I have seen the MiG-3 used as a counter point to the "If it looks right it will fly right" quip.

Firepower of MiG-3 could be increased by 2 x 12,7 mm in the wing gondolas or 6 x RS-82mm rockets.
The handling of MiG-3  was quickly improved by implementing automatic slats.
As for the heavy engine in the nose - it gave MiG-3 the unique ability to gain speed in dive much faster than 109 could. After that MiG-3 could make a huge vertical zoom climb and 109 could not follow. Alexandre Pokryshkin  used this ability of MiG-3 twice in his first dogfight with 109s. Though the fight stared in disadvantage position (lower alt, outnumbered) he managed both times gain alt advantage and attacked them from above, and yes, he was flying with additional  2x 12,7 mm guns and it really helped him to shot down 109 in this first fight.

[-aper-]

For some reason I thought it had a 20mm & 2 12.7mm, good to know.

Later ver. of MiG-3 was armed with 2x20mm but production of MiG-3 was stopped soon and only a 52 were built with this armament.

[Karnak]

Later ver. of MiG-3 was armed with 2x20mm but production of MiG-3 was stopped soon and only a 52 were built with this armament.

Yes, that is why I dismiss that version.

[skorpion]

karnak brah, where the hell are the GV's in that list? we need more GV's and BOMBERS before we even think about adding more fighters. currently only 40 or so bombers+gv's combined, over 70 or so fighters.

more bombers and gv's first.

[Karnak]

karnak brah, where the hell are the GV's in that list? we need more GV's and BOMBERS before we even think about adding more fighters. currently only 40 or so bombers+gv's combined, over 70 or so fighters.

more bombers and gv's first.

As stated previously, this is not a wish list.  This is a "show the "why didn't HTC add a competitive fighter for the LWA???!?!??? WHHAAAAAAA!!!!" guys why they didn't add such a thing" thread.  If it were a Wishlist thread I'd have posted it in the Wishlist forum and it would have a very, very different set of aircraft on it.

I strongly disagree with you about fighters though.  This is, primarily, a fighter game and we haven't had a completely new fighter added since the I-16 and Brewster were added years ago.  Since then we have had the M4A3(75), M4A3(76), Panther V G, Tiger II, Mosquito Mk XVI, G4M1 and B-29A added.  It is time for a fighter, it doesn't have to be off of my list here and in fact the vast majority of these would not be good choices, but we are due for a fighter.