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Offline grizz441

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2011, 12:37:18 PM »
Adam Wainwright - Lifetime AVG-.223 OBP-.254 SLG-.333 OPS-.586  That's atrocious.
Jason Marquis - Lifetime Avg-0.197 OBP-.326 SLG-.283 OPS-.499 Beyond atrocious
He actually had one maybe two good hitting years in STL, he's blown before and ever since.
Jeff Suppan - Lifetime Avg-0.174 OBP-0.221 SLG-0.238 OBS-0.465 So beyond atrocious you can't even see the line for atrocious.

As for the rest of your post, you can't compare the game now to the game then.  It's completely different.  I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.  Just look at his stats.  Defense is overvalued past a certain point.  Making unbelievable plays is great and all but they are rare to happen and 0 for 4 days at the plate are much too common.  The rise of sabermetrics have helped show a player's true value.  If Mike Piazza was such a liability like you said, then why did teams pay him so much money to play for them and crush bombs?  Jose Canseco played outfield most of his career, not DH.

From the first random article I found on the subject:

Don't be misled, though. In modern-day baseball, being the "best-hitting pitcher" is like being the world's fastest snail. Last year's stat line for the Cubs staff: a combined .201 batting average, .220 on-base percentage, and .302 slugging percentage. These are the numbers that give the Cubs such an advantage over the competition?

As the game gets tougher, the pool of two-way players dwindles. In Little League, the best player usually pitches and plays shortstop. The same is true, to a lesser extent, in high school, where raw athletic skill is more likely to prevail over specific, learned abilities: The cleanup hitter might not only be the pitcher, but also the point guard and the starting quarterback. A few collegiate stars—Dave Winfield, Mark Kotsay, John Olerud, and Mark McGwire, for instance—star on the mound and at the plate each year. But when pro teams get their hands on a rare pitcher-hitter combo, they usually make him focus on the batter's box.

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2011, 07:08:50 PM »
Phillies: 1

Cardinals: 0

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2011, 07:31:03 PM »
GO TIGERS!   I'll be there Tomorrow Night.
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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2011, 12:28:29 AM »
Phillies: 1

Cardinals: 0

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1-1  :P

Cardinals have been doing this all season long: They drop the first game in the set, but come back hard to win the series. This isn't a team that's going to roll over and die for anyone.

On another subject, I get a HUGE kick out of the playoff flashback rally/promo ad TBS and Fox keep showing for the Brewers. All the clips they use for the flashbacks are from the '82 Series. Which they, y'know, LOST. To St. Louis. Not exactly something to make you feel encouraged. Someone failed to do their research when putting that together.
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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2011, 09:05:33 AM »
Watching Cliff Lee and Carpenter try to hit last night made me laugh after this mini debate.  :D

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2011, 12:21:01 PM »
Watching Pujols trying to run the bases is even funnier. He thinks he is Lou Brock!  :rolleyes:


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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2011, 12:26:41 PM »
Watching Pujols trying to run the bases is even funnier. He thinks he is Lou Brock!  :rolleyes:

Ha, he is injured.

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2011, 12:31:52 PM »
Even more reason to not do this, and he has done it all year. It is amazing how many times he gets away with it though.  :D


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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2011, 12:47:34 PM »
I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.


Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .
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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2011, 04:19:29 PM »
Ha, he is injured.

I loved the interview with Pujols after the game.  When asked if the pain from his injury had to do with why he got caught up twice in one game he said "Pain?  There's no pain in the postseason!"  That was friggin' great!
Being that I live in STL I have no choice but to be a Cards fan but I have to be honest - I haven't even really followed the season at all this year but these last few weeks have gotten my attention again and I'm having fun!

It's also going to be a memorial post season for me.  My dad is a HUGE Cards fan and since he's fighting cancer it doesn't look like he'll be with us to see the end of the season next year.  I'm really hoping that we win it all and I'm looking forward to watching these next few games with him while he's still in decent enough health.  Watching the Cards come back to clench the wild card has really been an uplifting experience for him despite him finding out the bad news, recovering from surgery and being told that his days are numbered even if he does take well to chemo.

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2011, 04:44:10 PM »
I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.


Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2011, 06:07:59 PM »
I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.


Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .

His stats show that he would currently be a slightly above average shortstop value wise.  He definitely is fun to watch on the highlight reels.

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 03:34:31 PM »
Are the Yankees gonna choke?

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Re: Wild Card Wednesday!
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2011, 10:07:54 PM »
I'll make sure my wife has a cup of coffee ready for ya when you wake up...

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we have our pitcher back that you were borrowing for a while. 

You were saying??  :rofl :rofl