On Sleep and its Deprivation

[Jayhawk]

last year in middle school the 7th graders had to write about a rare animal, and get this-it was actually published on a website.


maybe highschoolers did write this?

Published on a website... woohoo.  Do you have a link?

[Tupac]

I have roughly 3,000 published posts on a website.

[skorpion]

Published on a website... woohoo.  Do you have a link?

the website was for "future middle schoolers" so they could "study" it, and you need an account to sign in and actually look at it, id give the link, but the school gives you the account, then when you leave, they take it back from you. so i dont think im getting that link soon.

[coombz]

You make it sound like High School students did the study themselves.

[VonMessa]

Show me this, filled out, paid for and copyright granted to you...   http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formtx.pdf

Otherwise, I'm going to sell your essay for money.

[Tyrannis]

One,Two, Freddys coming for you....

[ap1102]

Parents enforce bedtime. Teenager has no issues waking up at 6AM. The end.

Id give you an A.

Rhino

[Penguin]

Show me this, filled out, paid for and copyright granted to you...   http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formtx.pdf

Otherwise, I'm going to sell your essay for money.

Go ahead, just tell them I wrote it.

Parents enforce bedtime. Teenager has no issues waking up at 6AM. The end.

Id give you an A.

Rhino

That's the trouble, even if I'm in bed at 21:00 sharp, I'm wide awake.  Read up on how hormones shift during puberty and you'll see why.  In addition, it's not just getting enough sleep; even if I forced myself to fall asleep, I'd still be drowsy in the morning due to my hormones not telling my body to wake up yet.

-Penguin

[gyrene81]

That's the trouble, even if I'm in bed at 21:00 sharp, I'm wide awake.  Read up on how hormones shift during puberty and you'll see why.  In addition, it's not just getting enough sleep; even if I forced myself to fall asleep, I'd still be drowsy in the morning due to my hormones not telling my body to wake up yet.

-Penguin

you're just making excuses. guarantee if you went out and did some manual labor for 8 to 10 hours a day you would not have any problems falling asleep. and you really should check your diet, i'm betting there are some things you consume that contribute to your inability to fall asleep.

[canacka]

That's the trouble, even if I'm in bed at 21:00 sharp, I'm wide awake.  Read up on how hormones shift during puberty and you'll see why.  In addition, it's not just getting enough sleep; even if I forced myself to fall asleep, I'd still be drowsy in the morning due to my hormones not telling my body to wake up yet.

-Penguin
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Stop blaming it on hormones!  You just haven't grown up enough yet to understand how to deal with it.  Why is it just now an issue?  I started school at 7:20am and no one talked about how early it was.  It seems you found something to blame it on to turn away from the fact that you just don't want to wake up.  Either that or you are just lazy.

[GNucks]

you're just making excuses. guarantee if you went out and did some manual labor for 8 to 10 hours a day you would not have any problems falling asleep. and you really should check your diet, i'm betting there are some things you consume that contribute to your inability to fall asleep.

This, this, this!

After a ten-hour day in a sawmill I can fall asleep at a moment's notice. So long as I make sure that moment isn't too close to midnight I wake up at 5:30 with a jolt and plenty of energy for the next day. EVEN THOUGH IT'S DARK 

[Penguin]

Doing manual labor for 8-10 hours a day wouldn't help.  Even if I didn't do homework and travelled between places instantaneously, I'd be home at 22:05 at the earliest.  Slap on homework and I'm worse off than I was before- 23:30 or even 0:00.  Furthermore, I did twleve hours of manual labor (4 hours on, eight hours off, plus hikes on shore) daily for two weeks on a ship, and was still sleepy on the midnight watch and in the morning.  My diet is fine, thank-you.  I eat a turkey sandwich with orange juice for breakfast, a turkey sandwich with orange juice and an apple for lunch, and pasta/rice with skinless chicken with the fat trimmed off for dinner.  For dessert, a couple of scoops of ice-cream.  Diet isn't the problem at all.  In fact, I've been underweight for a long time- I just got back to normal.

This isn't an excuse, it's fact.  

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Stop blaming it on hormones!  You just haven't grown up enough yet to understand how to deal with it.  Why is it just now an issue?  I started school at 7:20am and no one talked about how early it was.  It seems you found something to blame it on to turn away from the fact that you just don't want to wake up.  Either that or you are just lazy.

You're precisely correct on the not grown up enough yet part.  It's only during puberty that sleep cycles shift so dramatically.  Why should I stop blaming it on hormones?  I have the data to back me up, and all you have is a failed attempt to take the moral high ground.  Just because the practice is old doesn't make it good, nobody talked about slavery being wrong for millenia, and yet it is all but abolished worldwide.  In addition, both my parents (both over age 40) went to school at 8:00ish.  It just takes one person to realize that the current system is flawed, and fight their heart out to change it or die trying.  If I really were so lazy as to not want to wake up so early in the morning, I would be too lazy to write this.

-Penguin

[Jayhawk]

Stop blaming it on hormones!  You just haven't grown up enough yet to understand how to deal with it.  Why is it just now an issue?  I started school at 7:20am and no one talked about how early it was.  It seems you found something to blame it on to turn away from the fact that you just don't want to wake up.  Either that or you are just lazy.

For the record, I haven't really taken a stance on this issue, but to say that adolescents and adults have the same bodies is just not true. There are biological differences between the two that can't be "learned."

[Penguin]

In addition, adolescence is a key developmental period.  Screw with it too much and you get some nasty results.

-Penguin

[canacka]

  Why should I stop blaming it on hormones?  I have the data to back me up

-Penguin
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Dude you completely missed what I said and obviously, you are too young to understand.  I have been there, forget about what ever scientific data you say you have.  So many others here have been there.  You say it's being a teenager, but do you really think we all here forgot what it's like?  Maybe it's you that has the problem waking up and not the majority of others.  You found some random thing that backs your feelings up and you think you can make a case but you fail to take in the other side of the story.  You continue to call your "paper" an essay when it is clearly an argumentative paper meant for a debate.  A debate that can be rebutted because you fail to take both sides.  That is a true essay.   Many here have given you advice without putting you down including me, but your reactions are getting a little irritating.  No matter what we say you keep going back to what some random person said in some paper.  You say you have a paper copy and not a link?  Copy it and post it here, I want to see it.  I like sleep too bud, I love sleeping in.  It's rare for me to get that opportunity but I have a job, kids to get ready for school, yada yada yada, so as you can see you better get used to it.  No one ever did a study about hormones in adults and lack of sleep did they?  That's because we have the same as teens but got used to it!  Theres nothing special and different between the ages of 13 and 19 that differs from adults in regards to sleep.  Suck it up, get used to it, and I'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning, or will I?