That's Right... Just pass the Cheese over...

[swareiam]

There were far more Soviet aces flying Soviet built planes than Soviet aces flying Lend Lease planes.  I don't know where you're getting your World War II aviation information but where ever you're getting it, I would suggest looking for better, more factually accurate sources.

ack-ack

Ack,

My apologies, I meant Aleksandr I. Pokryshkin second leading scorer in the VVS. Ivan Kozhedub was an La pilot his entire career with 62 kills. Highest allied scorer of the war.

[Karnak]

Spit14 isnt easy to fly, that is why its K/D is low. To 109 dweebs the Spit14 is a scary bird if a god stick is in it, but an easy kill if an average stick is in it.

That perfectly justifies the Spitfire Mk XIV being perked.

Wait....

No, it doesn't.

[Shane]

I gave up trying to get the la7 perked years ago. 

[Karnak]

I gave up trying to get the la7 perked years ago. 

You did give it a great shot.  Much better than the guys who try to do it on the forums.

[killb8]

In a fight with an La7 I lost the advantage in my spit14 and I was outclassed by a superior pilot (I think it was Hoagi). Anyways he had me saddled at about 600m back so I hit the wep and went into auto-climb, then just walked away from him. Nothing short of a ME163 can out climb the spit14, thats worth some perks to me.

[leitwolf]

Thread summary: P-51D pilot wants the only plane that can run his precious shiny down to be perked. 

[SmokinLoon]

Thread summary: P-51D pilot wants the only plane that can run his precious shiny down to be perked. 

... and your counter to their proposal is?????

[Shane]

... and your counter to their proposal is?????

perk the pony. 

[leitwolf]

exactly. 

[leitwolf]

I hope I'm not the only one who sees there is a delightful irony here that the OP (flying the single best plane out of the nonperked set with the highest impact on the game by a wide margin: the P-51D) wants the only plane that has an advantage in two critical areas over said plane to be essentially removed from the regular game.

I'm not saying the 51 should be perked.. but as long as it isn't the Lala should never be touched. It is inferior to the 51D in almost every way.

[caldera]

You're right on the money, leitwolf.  51 drivers always claim that the plane isn't all that good and just flown because of its wartime fame.  Yeah right.
The planes that see the most use in the game are also coincidentally, the most effective to succeed in for the average player.  The 51 is EZ mode.  Get to the fight fast.  Zoom way up high.  Team up with other high 51s.  Pounce on lower cons.  Run like hell. 

[swareiam]

I hope I'm not the only one who sees there is a delightful irony here that the OP (flying the single best plane out of the nonperked set with the highest impact on the game by a wide margin: the P-51D) wants the only plane that has an advantage in two critical areas over said plane to be essentially removed from the regular game.

I'm not saying the 51 should be perked.. but as long as it isn't the Lala should never be touched. It is inferior to the 51D in almost every way.

leitwolf,

Nicely stated... But that is not the case and far from the truth. The P-51D and La-7 is a fair fight. It could go either way depending upon the pilots level of skill. I think you can agree to that. The point is much larger. When a capture operation lifts from a CV on a non-land locked base. The attacking force, at least as of late, is getting overwhelmed with a bunch of La-7 pilots with 25% fuel loads and a place to refuel and rearm sitting right under them. You might as well be sittting in a F-80. At speed there are not too many planes in the current carrier stable that out perform the La-7 in the hands of two average pilots. Yes, the La-7 is quite the asset for defense of just about eveything. The point of this thread has nothing to do with individually wanting to neuter the La-7, to promote the effectiveness of another SINGLE airframe. Just to make it more fair for mission organizers on all three sides. Last time I checked a Mustang couldn't take off from a CV...

I hope that you can see the point.

 

[leitwolf]

I think you end up with an infinite regression in your scenario. Say we perk the La7, you won't see it defending any longer. Next in line would be .. I dunno.. say the K4 or D9, both outclass every carrier plane save the 4-hog. You perk those. Goto 10. We all end up in I-16s.

[Saxman]

Think total capability.  The P47N can carry more ord, has more firepower, and can match the range of the P51, sure.  But it is slower, climbs much slower, turns worse, rolls worse, is horrible at slow speeds.  The point is that the P51D can carry almost 3000lbs in ordnance, go as fast, and be as maneuverable as it is, etc etc.

F4U-4.  Only thing it lacks over the 51 is range. But the -4 is also perked.

[swareiam]

I think you end up with an infinite regression in your scenario. Say we perk the La7, you won't see it defending any longer. Next in line would be .. I dunno.. say the K4 or D9, both outclass every carrier plane save the 4-hog. You perk those. Goto 10. We all end up in I-16s.

I am pretty sure that is not the case. You perk the La-7 at a beginning value between three and five and folks will still fly it, just not so many. It's that perk plane mystique.  "Wow that's perked, I'll fly an alternate." The value floats with ENY. The Pony "D" can defend for sure. But the La-7 deserves the respect of a perk value. For the simple drawback of range, the La-7 is shelved as one greatest planes ever in this game. Check the statistics this month, the numbers don't lie. Too many maintenance and logistics problems in historical terms to get it anywhere close to that honor. But when it worked it really worked...