The Spitfire XIV Q

[MK-84]

I read it wrong. Your right then.

Eh, you explained it better

[Karnak]

There are some really lousy excuses being used in here to justify it being perked.

Results are what count and it fails to even approach the 1) results or 2) usage level of any other perked fighter.  It matched or exceeded in performance by the Bf109K-4, which not only has twice the WEP but also much higher performance on MIL.

Either unperk it or remodel it on 150 octane at +21lbs boost.

[MachFly]

There are some really lousy excuses being used in here to justify it being perked.

Results are what count and it fails to even approach the 1) results or 2) usage level of any other perked fighter.  It matched or exceeded in performance by the Bf109K-4, which not only has twice the WEP but also much higher performance on MIL.

Either unperk it or remodel it on 150 octane at +21lbs boost.

You compare fighter performance by the amount of time it can stay in WEP?

109 might be fast but it can't out turn Spit14, and it compresses at 400mph. 109 also can't maintain it's energy for nearly as long as Spit14, plus Spit14's guns are better.
And I'll say that Spit14 can take more fire.

There is a reason why 109K has 20 ENY.

[Karnak]

Turn rate between the Bf109K-4 and Spitfire Mk XIV is very close.  The Bf109 is also a better gun platform and has centerline mounted guns.

Further, claiming there is a reason the Bf109K-4 has an ENY of 20 as a contrast to the Spitfire Mk XIV is silly as the Spitfire Mk XIV has never had a chance to see where it will fall out in general use.  As it is, it barely breaks a 1:1 K/D ratio and has minuscule usage each tour.

You're not so delusional as to think that unfettered from its perk cost it will suddenly dominate are you?

[MachFly]

Turn rate between the Bf109K-4 and Spitfire Mk XIV is very close.  The Bf109 is also a better gun platform and has centerline mounted guns.

Further, claiming there is a reason the Bf109K-4 has an ENY of 20 as a contrast to the Spitfire Mk XIV is silly as the Spitfire Mk XIV has never had a chance to see where it will fall out in general use.  As it is, it barely breaks a 1:1 K/D ratio and has minuscule usage each tour.

109 is a better gun platform, but it's gun is not good. Sure it might have the power to destroy a plane with one hit but you don't have much ammo and the rate of fire sucks.

It's low K/D ratio is because 99% of the people here use it as a super cool Spit16.

You're not so delusional as to think that unfettered from its perk cost it will suddenly dominate are you?

No it wont, because people will still use it as a super cool Spit16. Those few who actually understand how to fly it wont spend the time to learn the airplane because there are easier planes to learn. That's why it's perk price is so low.

[Karnak]

Used correctly, the P-51D is almost untouchable.  Used correctly the Fw190D-9 is almost untouchable.  Used correctly the Bf109K-4 is almost untouchable. Used correctly the La-7 is almost untouchable.  The fact that people misuse them doesn't justify their being unperked.

That is the same exact argument you are using against unperking the Spitfire Mk XIV.  The only criteria for perking is if the unit would be imbalancing if it were not controlled.  Do you really see the MA being crushed by hordes of suddenly skilled Spitfire Mk XIVs?

[MachFly]

Used correctly, the P-51D is almost untouchable.  Used correctly the Fw190D-9 is almost untouchable.  Used correctly the Bf109K-4 is almost untouchable. Used correctly the La-7 is almost untouchable.  The fact that people misuse them doesn't justify their being unperked.

All those airplanes can be untouchable (besides the La), but they would they would not be able to get a single kill either.

That is the same exact argument you are using against unperking the Spitfire Mk XIV.  The only criteria for perking is if the unit would be imbalancing if it were not controlled.  Do you really see the MA being crushed by hordes of suddenly skilled Spitfire Mk XIVs?

Right away, no. After a year or so it will because people will learn. That's why the perk price is so low.
Right now people take it, rip the wings off because they never flew it before, say it sucks and they wasted perks, and never fly it before. If it was unperked loosing it would not be such a problem.

[Karnak]

If people were able to learn, they would have in the nine years it has been in the game.  They have not and will not.

Further, even in the worst case scenario, it could simply be perked again.


You're delusional and simply contrarian with no evidence to support your claims.

[MachFly]

If people were able to learn, they would have in the nine years it has been in the game.  They have not and will not.

Further, even in the worst case scenario, it could simply be perked again.


You're delusional and simply contrarian with no evidence to support your claims.

No evidence? How about it's performance characteristics and capabilities?

And just for the record, the fact that it's perked means HTC agrees with me.

[Karnak]

The same arguments were made about the Ta152 and the same claims of doom if it were unperked.

It was unperked and no doom happened.


While I respect HTC they are not infallible, nor have they every claimed to be.  Your appeal to authority to back up your argument only reveals how weak your argument is.

[MachFly]

The same arguments were made about the Ta152 and the same claims of doom if it were unperked.

It was unperked and no doom happened.


While I respect HTC they are not infallible, nor have they every claimed to be.  Your appeal to authority to back up your argument only reveals how weak your argument is.

152 can only BnZ, Spitfire can do everything.

[Karnak]

152 can only BnZ, Spitfire can do everything.

Most fighters in the game will out turn the Spitfire Mk XIV without difficulty.  It rolls poorly, particularly at high speed.  A significant number of fighters will out run it at AH combat altitudes.

The Spitfire Mk XIV most certainly cannot "do everything".

[MachFly]

Most fighters in the game will out turn the Spitfire Mk XIV without difficulty.  It rolls poorly, particularly at high speed.  A significant number of fighters will out run it at AH combat altitudes.

The Spitfire Mk XIV most certainly cannot "do everything".

The only fighters that can out turn it are the ones that are a good 100mph slower. Just fight those in the vertical and you'll win.

Sure it's not the fastest on the deck, but it is one of the fastest up high. Can even out run a pony above 10K.

It does not have any roll problems bellow 400mph, above that it does not roll good, but most other airplanes can only fly straight at that speed, so spit14 can still out roll them.  Ex: 109, P-38, zero, ect...

[Karnak]

The P-38L has the fastest roll rate in the game at 400mph.

[MachFly]

The P-38L has the fastest roll rate in the game at 400mph.

L has hydraulically boosted ailerons, all the other model's can't roll at that speed.