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Offline jay

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 12:10:39 PM »
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »
The panzer4 f looks awsome
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 12:17:53 PM »
Looks like the Panzer is going to make its debut in EW.  The F was produced in 1941... making it an EW candidate... while the H would remain a MW/LW tank.

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2011, 12:30:03 PM »
Looks like the Panzer is going to make its debut in EW.  The F was produced in 1941... making it an EW candidate... while the H would remain a MW/LW tank.
When was the Panzer IV F2 introduced?  It seems that for Barbarossa events the F1 should be used, but the F2 might need to be heavily limited or even not used.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 12:35:58 PM »
And yet still no He 111.  I am personally not in favor of it, but it does appear to be the largest gap in the HTC plane/vehicle set.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2011, 12:37:53 PM »
Looks like the 'ol IV is finally getting it's facelift along with an earlier variant.

Lookin' good HTC and Greebo. :)

Waffle, another fantastic job on teh modelling of that tank. No detail spared and it shows in the quality. That must take lots of time, but the results are worth it.
Greebo,  great skins. Looks like a photo of the real thing. You are a true artist sir.

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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2011, 12:39:22 PM »
When was the Panzer IV F2 introduced?  It seems that for Barbarossa events the F1 should be used, but the F2 might need to be heavily limited or even not used.

(from Wikipedia...yeah... I know)
By 1941, 462 Panzer IV Ausf. Fs had been assembled, and the up-gunned Ausf. F2 was entering production.

(from Historyofwar.org http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_panzer_IV.html )
The biggest change to the design of the Panzer IV came late in 1941, after the German invasion of Russia. None of the German tank guns could easily penetrate the armour of the Soviet KV-1 or T-34 tanks, and a desperate program of upgrades was put in place. The most successful of these saw the development of a long-barrelled 75mm gun, the KwK40 L/43. When the Panzer IV Ausf F2, armed with this gun, entered service in the summer of 1942 the Panzer IV finally became the powerful main battle tank that it is remembered as.

(from achtungpanzer.com http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-iv.htm )
From April of 1941 to March of 1942, 487 of another variant Ausf F1(F) were producedby Krupp-Gruson along with Vomag and Nibelungenwerke. Ausf F1 was the last of Panzerkampfwagen IVs based on the short version chassis and armed with 75mm L/24 gun. In March of 1942, 25 of Ausf F1s were later converted to Ausf F2s. Ausf F also featured new turret design, drive sprocket and idler. Ausf F was also fitted with 400mm wide tracks instead of old 360mm wide one.Overall, Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf A to F1 were designated Sd.Kfz.161 and were all armed with short 75mm KwK 37 L/24 gun.

In March of 1942, next variant Ausf F2 was produced, followed by Ausf G in May.Current research shows that in reality designation Ausf F2 was not used whendescribing Ausf F armed with 75mm L/43 gun and instead tanks known as Ausf F2 were in fact early Ausf G tanks.Ausf F2 and Ausf G variants were based on the long version PzKpfw IV chassis and were armed with newer 75mm KwK 40 L/43 gun (that was able to compete with Soviet T-34s armed with 76.2mm gun). When encountered in North Africa, British nicknamed Ausf F2 (early Ausf G) - "Mark IV Special", since it was superior to any American or British tank at the time. The installation of the new gun increased the overall weight of the tank and reduced its speed.Both Ausf F(F1) and Ausf F2 were identical except for their armament.Ausf F2’s new 75mm L/43 gun was mounted with single baffle muzzle brake.


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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 12:39:40 PM »
When was the Panzer IV F2 introduced?  It seems that for Barbarossa events the F1 should be used, but the F2 might need to be heavily limited or even not used.
summer of 42?

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_panzer_IV.html
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2011, 12:40:31 PM »
And yet still no He 111.  I am personally not in favor of it, but it does appear to be the largest gap in the HTC plane/vehicle set.

There are much larger ones.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2011, 12:44:27 PM »
wow this update got really interesting! salute to the GVers!
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2011, 12:57:42 PM »
There are much larger ones.

You are a respected community member, Lusche.  What would be your recommendation?  I personally would like to see the A26, but I think we have enough late war American things.  I was thinking more along the lines of scenario needs, hard to do a Battle of Britain without an He 111.  That is where I am coming from in referencing a "gap" in availability in-game.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 01:06:38 PM »
You are a respected community member, Lusche.  What would be your recommendation?  I personally would like to see the A26, but I think we have enough late war American things.  I was thinking more along the lines of scenario needs, hard to do a Battle of Britain without an He 111.  That is where I am coming from in referencing a "gap" in availability in-game.
Ki-43 is a larger gap than the He111.  Pe-2 is also a larger gap.  LaGG-3 or Yak-1 are also larger gaps.  Beaufighter and Wellington are arguably larger gaps.
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2011, 01:07:46 PM »
You are a respected community member, Lusche.  What would be your recommendation?  I personally would like to see the A26, but I think we have enough late war American things.  I was thinking more along the lines of scenario needs, hard to do a Battle of Britain without an He 111.  That is where I am coming from in referencing a "gap" in availability in-game.

A26?  WHY?  More "flash bang"?  It has 8/.50 cals in the nose and 4k ord.  What can it do that the A20 cant?

The He111, Pe-2, Tu-2, D520, Ki-43 "Oscar", EW Brewster Buffalo (the real thing, not the FM2/Zeke hybrid AH has now), Me410, and Beaufighter to name a few.  Those would fill huge gaps in the AH line up and they are currently missed in a major way for scenarios.

BTW...  I'm diggin' the Panzer IV updates!  Having EW, MW, and LW versions will be nice!   :aok  Nice work, Waffle and Greebo!    
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2011, 01:12:42 PM »
Carry 5k of ord and be a fast carrier killer deluxe in-game.  Don't confuse what I personally would like to see with what, in my opinion, should be in game - two different things. 
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Re: Check the homepage - new Panzer IV's on the way.
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2011, 01:17:40 PM »
Carry 5k of ord and be a fast carrier killer deluxe in-game.  Don't confuse what I personally would like to see with what, in my opinion, should be in game - two different things. 

"fast carrier killer"  as in kamikaze?  As designed, it was used for close air support for ground forces.  Not that it is a huge deal, but I have 2 printed sources that say it carried 4k ord.  I do know that there were field mods that allowed it to carry extra ordnance most notably rockets.  To each his own, I guess.     
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