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Offline Tank-Ace

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Re: He 111
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2011, 10:12:31 PM »
No, missing the A6M would be like not having a 109. While the Ki-43 was more significant historicly, it can be subbed for by the A6M better than the Panzer III E can be subbed for with the Panzer IV F, or the Crusader can be subbed for by a mix of M8's and M4's, or the He-111 H4 can be subbed for by the Ju-88A4, or the 109E-7 by the 109E-4 (A6M at least gives a firepower bonus to compensate for the reduced speed or manuverabilty).
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Re: He 111
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2011, 10:53:08 PM »
That you think the A6M is more similar to the Ki-43 than the Bf109E-4 is to the Bf109E-7 is funny.

The Bf109E-7 is a Bf109E-4 with a very slightly more powerful engine and drop tank capability.  Bf109 fans whining about the lack of the Bf109E-7 is like Spitfire fans whining about the lack of the Spitfire Mk II.

I think you are much more familiar with the German equipment and so the difference in each model mean a lot to you as you see their significance.  Your weakness is that you downplay and dismiss the differences between things you are not as familiar with.

On the one hand you are right, the A6M and Ki-43 both pretty much have to play the turning game against the American fighters.  On the other hand, you are wrong in that one can dismiss the differences between the Bf109 and Fw190 by saying one can sub for the other as against Spitfires and Hurricanes both have to avoid turn fights.

The fact is that the Ki-43, fragile and inadequate as it was, was one of the core fighters of WWII, right up there with the Bf109, Fw190, Hurricane, Spitfire, LaGG/La series, Yak series, P-38, P-47, P-51, F4F, F4U, F6F and A6M.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2011, 01:06:57 AM »
I never said the 190 and 109 can sub for eachother. The play styles are completly different, as are most of the plane's strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not saying that the A6M makes a perfect sub for the Ki-43, just that the differences in combat are less pronounced than, say, a panzer IV subbing for a Panzer III, which makes a substitution easier and more realistic.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2011, 01:16:31 AM »
Point is...


He 111
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Re: He 111
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2011, 02:18:36 AM »
I believe this would be a true Hanger Queen in the MA, and even in early war, but for events, I believe it to be invaluable.   I would sort of liken it to the G4m. (not in specs, but in how it would be used)
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Re: He 111
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2011, 02:44:21 AM »
My only problem with the Betty is that if a crewman wets himself, it'll catch fire.  If included, you'll see more He-111's than the G4M1's because they can carry a heavier payload and wouldn't likely catch fire so easily.

Betty:
Greater Range
Better Climb (I believe)

Heinkel:
Heavier Payload
Better Survivability

And yes, I know BOTH planes are fragile.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2011, 02:47:13 AM »
Quote from: Volron on October 19, 2011, 02:44:21 AM
My only problem with the Betty is that if a crewman wets himself, it'll catch fire.  If included, you'll see more He-111's than the G4M1's because they can carry a heavier payload and wouldn't likely catch fire so easily.

Betty:
Greater Range
Better Climb (I believe)

Heinkel:
Heavier Payload
Better Survivability

And yes, I know BOTH planes are fragile.

I didn't phrase it right I guess :uhoh
What I meant was that like the Betty it is invaluable to scenarios,  Whish I think is AWESOME, but not so useful in the MA.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2011, 04:08:09 AM »
No, no, I meant in the EWA and even in LWA.  My fault for not mentioning that. :bhead  I would agree though, that it would be a Hanger Queen in LWA but if you were to see people use either the G4M1 or the He-111, you'd likely see more He-111's is my guess. :aok

Oh yeah, the He-111 would truly be sweet to have for scenarios, especially BoB.  Of course it wouldn't stop there. :x
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Re: He 111
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2011, 05:45:11 AM »
+1
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Re: He 111
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2011, 11:51:06 AM »
Who cares about MA? Im an evenet dweeb. WE NEED the He 111, have since 99.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2011, 01:06:03 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 18, 2011, 09:21:06 PM
Needed above all other planes, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary:


He-111 H4
He-111 H11
190 F-1/U3
IAR-80B/C
SdKfz 251/22
G.55
M3 Stuart
Panzer III E, J, and L
Crusader
Matilda
StuG III
Cromwell
Churchill
Hetzer
109E-7
109G6 w/ 30mm
:salute total agreement
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Re: He 111
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2011, 06:33:08 PM »
Quote from: alpini13 on October 18, 2011, 08:50:52 PM
-5
any reason to NOT have this in game?
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Re: He 111
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2011, 02:55:44 AM »
He-111 will be the next bomber I think. . .even if the Russians will cry about it.
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Re: He 111
« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2011, 08:44:41 AM »
moin

im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)

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Re: He 111
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2011, 11:10:17 AM »
Quote from: chris3 on October 20, 2011, 08:44:41 AM
im sure the he111 will be often used in LWA too if we get the he111 V1 rocket lounch platform :-)
hmmm... that would require some developement in the gaming mechanism...
even if we dont get that, the 111 can be a GREAT perk farmer.
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