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[Tank-Ace]

I never said it was more different, I said it would be more helpfull, theres a difference. We run (based on past events) many more more ETO/MTO events than we do PTO ones, which puts the 109E-7 at a higher level of urgency than the Ki-43, which has a higher level of need for its (limited) events.

IMO, their priority being about equal, I chose the one I would use more to put on my list.



They opperate on a different time scale, yes. But thats only a problem if we're unwilling to make any attempt to fix it.

Give 4 lives, maybe 5. A string of objectives, such as defending a strategic hill, valley, river crossing, or what have you, and have their home base change AS THEY ADVANCE. If they push the enemy out of the strategic area, they get to capture a nearby "neutral" (owned by the side not representing one of the two combatants in the scenario) base, and use it as their base.

It would be perfectly feasable to have GV's in the scenarios, the event planners just seem a little reluctant to try.

[HighTone]

+1 to the He-111, I would fly it and its needed for the special events....even though its German crap 

[Karnak]

You are in complete, absolute looney land if you think the Bf109E-7 has anything near the priority of the Ki-43.  I mean, so far out there you can't even see the rainbow anymore.  I don't even know what mental gymnastics you could be doing to make those equivalent in your mind. It isn't just me saying that either, so don't begin to paint me as having the way out there opinion.  You're the one all by yourself out on the limb.


Has it, perhaps, occurred to you that one reason Pacific setups don't get run is the lack of Japanese planes?

[Tank-Ace]

Same could be said of GV's. You're just speculating with the GV's, you don't KNOW.

Stop changing gears in the argument, first the GV's don't see much action because they're too hard to adapt to the scenario timeframe (complete BS) and the complete lack of an light armor, which is a must for a good EW/MW event, has nothing to do with it.

But the biggest reason not many PTO events are ran is because of a lack of japanese planes, and not because of the relative lack of interest (as shown by the Coral Sea event, which was canceled due to low registration) .

[1Nicolas]

Please explain yourself.  Highlighting those does not make any sense.  It is like you randomly highlighted some of what I listed and not others.

Are you familiar with the units you highlighted?

Almost 6,000 Ki-43s.  Not a high performance game breaker at all.

LaGG-3 is a low performance, early war Russian fighter.

Wellington was the most prolific British bomber with 11,000 built, but it was slow, carried only 4,500lbs and defended by .303s.  Tough though.

Im trying to say NO to wellington, Ki-43 but now yes to LaGG-3 It has 2 50's and 1 20mm! GO PACKERS GO!

[321BAR]

Karnak, it seems you REALLY want stuff whos absense isn't a big issue in scenarios and is infact not even noticed by most, and are just more hanger queens/(30mm) cannon fodder in the MA.

you ever try flying a P40B vs A6M2s (and during the last scenario the A6M5B also)? Neither A6M nor the A6M3 could ever fill the gap that the KI43 flew. Hell the D3A1 could fly as a KI43 better than the A6M2. During Road to Rangoon, the A6Ms had every dogfighting advantage over the P40s. We were lucky to have the brewsters to deal with them because without the B239 during RTR the allies would have lost every single frame vs the A6Ms

[Tank-Ace]

I'm  not saying its nessicarily a GOOD substitute, just that it works better than most. God, people really don't like to think about meaning, do they  ?

[Karnak]

I'm  not saying its nessicarily a GOOD substitute, just that it works better than most. God, people really don't like to think about meaning, do they  ?

His point is that it does not work better than some of the things you claimed.  The Bf109E-4 works very much better as a substitute for the Bf109E-7 than any A6M works for any Ki-43, yet you claim the Bf109E-7 should have higher priority.

Now, an advantage to the Bf109E-7 that we haven't spoken of is that the artwork is mostly already in game in the form of the Bf109E-4 whereas the Ki-43 would need entirely new artwork.  That means that adding one or the other isn't exactly an even choice in terms of work for HTC.

[Tank-Ace]

I put the 109E7 higher on the priority list because it would see more use. I dobut having the Ki-43 would have gotten enough players in Coral Sea to keep it from being cancled, as it was announced after the 'new' wore off.

I agree that the Ki-43 is more needed FOR ITS EVENTS, than the 109 E-7 is needed for its events. But since the 109 E-7 would likely be used in more scenarios and setups, it is a better candidate for addition based on what would be more usefull.

[Karnak]

I can't see how the Bf109E-7 would have more scenarios than the Ki-43.  The Ki-43 was the main IJA fighter from 1942 through most of 1944 and any scenario set in any location the IJA was fighting would use it.  Remember, we're not just talking about the Ki-43-I, we're also talking about the Ki-43-II and -III.  China, Burma, India, Guadalcanal,  New Guinea, the Philippines, Okinawa, Japan are all places that the Ki-43 would be used.

fyi,Midway is not one of those places as that was exclusively the IJN.

The Bf109E-7 was significant in Barbarossa and where else?  For the Battle of Britain, where I understand it showed up at the end, we'd pretty much need the Spitfire Mk II as well for balance purposes otherwise you'd be creating a false imbalance.

[Tank-Ace]

Barbarossa, a fair number of Mediterranean setups, late battle of britan as you said. But the reason it would see more scenarios is because PTO scenarios are just less popular, and aren't run as often.

[perdue3]

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[321BAR]

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[Butcher]

I can't see how the Bf109E-7 would have more scenarios than the Ki-43.  The Ki-43 was the main IJA fighter from 1942 through most of 1944 and any scenario set in any location the IJA was fighting would use it.  Remember, we're not just talking about the Ki-43-I, we're also talking about the Ki-43-II and -III.  China, Burma, India, Guadalcanal,  New Guinea, the Philippines, Okinawa, Japan are all places that the Ki-43 would be used.

fyi,Midway is not one of those places as that was exclusively the IJN.

The Bf109E-7 was significant in Barbarossa and where else?  For the Battle of Britain, where I understand it showed up at the end, we'd pretty much need the Spitfire Mk II as well for balance purposes otherwise you'd be creating a false imbalance.

I do agree with this, if we were going to add the 109E-7 it would be a total waste of practical sense. Same argument can go towards the CAC Boomerang and the Ki-27 Nate - what purpose did both serve during the war? None. We don't need hanger queens or planes for "nation pride" rather aircraft that will be used in scenarios and the main arenas.

In time sure we can add all these lovely aircraft, once the rest of the fillers for LW, MW and EW get filled up, I'd rather have a He-111 in game then CAC boomerang that will only be flown in the training arena next to RV-8s.

[perdue3]

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