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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 02:25:38 PM »
i don't understand why anyone would couple an automatic transmission with a Diesel engine, you will get more low end torque and traction and better fuel milage using a manual transmission, plus its nice to have that opition of being push started if you lose a starter, but that's just personal choice i guess.
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 02:31:58 PM »
i don't understand why anyone would couple an automatic transmission with a Diesel engine, you will get more low end torque and traction and better fuel milage using a manual transmission, plus its nice to have that opition of being push started if you lose a starter, but that's just personal choice i guess.
My moms camaro and my dads Chevelle are sticks, I know how to drive a stick and it's fun to take a care with a stick out once in a whil, but I don't think I'd want it to be a daily thing, considering I'm only 17
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 02:37:00 PM »
also do you know of any Auto Brokers?  i have one and when i went to get a new Truck in 2009 he found me a 2004 Ford F150 FX4 Surpercab 4X4 only 21,680 miles every option available is on it for just over 12,500 including brokers fee, you just tell them what you want and how much your willing to pay, they will call you with info and pics of Trucks and then it's up to you. i got a killer deal my Buddy only charged me 500 buyers fee, he knows my sense of style and such, heres my baby, sense this Pic ive added Diamond plate tool box and Bed Rails, only has 61,200 miles on it now.

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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 02:37:59 PM »
If you are going to chip the engine to boost power I strongly suggest you upgrade the auto tranny as well. The factory puts in the minimum equipment to get by. You add a bunch more torque and HP and you will be ripping your transmission up. Lots of RV folks go the chip route because they have too little truck for the load. Getting a new transmission later on is very very common because they overstressed the transmission. You should also look at upgrading the transmission cooler as a mandatory idea.

If you have a manual look at upgrading the clutch and pressure plate equipment.

In both cases look at an oil cooler as well to keep the engine cooler.

Watch out for the turbine inlet temp and exhaust gas temp on the turbo. If you over temp the turbo it will cause "bad things" to happen to the turbo and or engine.
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 02:40:28 PM »
i don't understand why anyone would couple an automatic transmission with a Diesel engine, you will get more low end torque and traction and better fuel milage using a manual transmission, plus its nice to have that opition of being push started if you lose a starter, but that's just personal choice i guess.

That auto transmission will pull easier on the entire drive train when pulling a heavy load. There is no danger of glazing the clutch with it on start up. You have the traction concept backwards too. It's easier to break traction with a manual than a slush box.
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2011, 02:45:26 PM »
ya but driving a standard is just cooler


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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2011, 02:47:19 PM »
i don't understand why anyone would couple an automatic transmission with a Diesel engine, you will get more low end torque and traction and better fuel milage using a manual transmission, plus its nice to have that opition of being push started if you lose a starter, but that's just personal choice i guess.

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You're in the dark ages of trucks my friend.  Even semi-tractors are automatics now, and ag-tractors have had automatics for a generation now.  Most "experts" now  say that for towing an automatic is actually far better  because the torque converter sort of cushions the engine from some stress, also they can use it to slow down on steep decent without revving the engine like gearing down in a manual.  I can tell you that the Alison transmission is awesome for towing. Push the little tow/haul button on the end of the stick and just cruise down the hills with no dramatics whatsoever.

As for push starting a diesel... it may be possible, but getting a diesel with 20:1 compression to turn over is a heck of a lot harder then a gas with 8 or 9:1 compression.  Try in on dirt of gravel and I'll guarantee you'll just skid, try it on asphalt and you'll just flat spot your tires.   You'd have to go real easy off the clutch push starting a diesel, or you might break something.   Also remember it your battery is dead, so are your glow plugs/manifold heater meaning even if it cranks it will be no start or a cold rough start.
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2011, 02:55:06 PM »
First let me say that I'm a Ford guy through and through, I'm also a Cummins man. That being said the Chevy Duramax, Allison combination is tough to beat. The concern about longevity with the Dmax comes from the fact that they use aluminum heads, and many in the diesel community felt that would lead to early failures, and really something that has not proved to be true. The thing I dislike the most about the GM trucks is the independent front suspension on their four wheel drive trucks. Dodge has a real work horse with the Cummins which will most likely outlive the chassis it is in. The 7.3 Powerstrokes are the most desirable of the Powerstrokes in my book with the 6.0 being somewhat akin to the plague. I don't know anything about the new 6.4's which are actually built in house at Ford. The previous Powerstroke engines were built by International, the Dmax is built by Isuzu, and of course the Cummins is built by Cummins.

All three brands respond well to electronic tuners, but if you are looking to go much further the two V8 diesels can get very expensive to modify, and repair.  The Dmax's did have an issue with hanging injectors that could burn down the engine if you didn't catch it in time. Ford's seemed to have an issue of killing the injectors (which run around $270 each) and in many cases Ford would decline warranty say the injector had been damaged from unclean fuel. Fords also seemed to go through a lot of cam sensors. The '98.5 to 2003 Cummins use a vp44 fuel pump that did have some reliability issues, and was a rather expensive item to replace running around $2,300, for the pump.

Oh and I wouldn't hold my breath for a Caterpillar. Last I heard they were getting out of the OTR business all together.

If you did get a diesel make sure you put gauges on it before you do any modifications. With a pyrometer being the first priority, followed by a boost gauge.

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I'm not into all that electronic bs so I'm running a '98 Cummins 12 valve in a '91 F350. I made 225hp and 503 ft/lb at the rear wheels the only time I ever dyno'd it.

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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2011, 03:00:09 PM »
i don't understand why anyone would couple an automatic transmission with a Diesel engine, you will get more low end torque and traction and better fuel milage using a manual transmission, plus its nice to have that opition of being push started if you lose a starter, but that's just personal choice i guess.

Zoom the new autos are actually better with the diesels than a stick. They have the full lock up converters so you don't lose that much low end power and you don't lose your boost between shifts.
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2011, 03:31:21 PM »
Zoom the new autos are actually better with the diesels than a stick. They have the full lock up converters so you don't lose that much low end power and you don't lose your boost between shifts.

oh i understand this and maybe so but like i said it's personal choices when people buy their Trucks, Ive owned both auto and manual and manual transmissions suit me and my needs and haven't let me down.



 Saggs... Ive pushed started many diesel trucks in my 25 years operating trucks and equipment, on the Cummings diesel the Pump has a manual override knob, just turn it and bump the truck forward it will start, A pure mechanical diesel engine unlike a gas engine does not need an electrical spark for ignition. On a gas engine all you have to do is take away the electricity and the engine can't run.  A diesel uses the heat of compression to ignite the fuel so removing the electricity from a diesel may not stop it from running.

There are of course, exceptions to this. All modern diesel engines use some electrical devices to operate. Almost all diesels have an electrically operated fuel shutoff solenoid and electric fuel lift pumps. Others like the turbo diesels use an electronic injection pump. As long as these engines are getting air, fuel and electricity they will continue to run. Cutting off the electricity to these engines should stop them. One exception would be a normally aspirated diesel with a malfunctioning fuel shutoff valve.

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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2011, 04:58:58 PM »
also do you know of any Auto Brokers?  i have one and when i went to get a new Truck in 2009 he found me a 2004 Ford F150 FX4 Surpercab 4X4 only 21,680 miles every option available is on it for just over 12,500 including brokers fee, you just tell them what you want and how much your willing to pay, they will call you with info and pics of Trucks and then it's up to you. i got a killer deal my Buddy only charged me 500 buyers fee, he knows my sense of style and such, heres my baby, sense this Pic ive added Diamond plate tool box and Bed Rails, only has 61,200 miles on it now.

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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2011, 05:25:06 PM »

I'm not into all that electronic bs so I'm running a '98 Cummins 12 valve in a '91 F350. I made 225hp and 503 ft/lb at the rear wheels the only time I ever dyno'd it.

If you want to see a pictorial of the Cummins conversion visit my webshots page here:
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Thanks for posting that site for the conversion, that truck is cool as hell great work on the converstion  :aok   39 Dozer  :aok

i've operated both Cummings and Cat equiped Trucks both are great engines IMO.  i would love to do a 425 Cat Conversion into a F-350 i love the rumble of a Cat engine and you can find them for under 5 grand ( used of course).
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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2011, 05:57:43 PM »
oh i understand this and maybe so but like i said it's personal choices when people buy their Trucks, Ive owned both auto and manual and manual transmissions suit me and my needs and haven't let me down.



 Saggs... Ive pushed started many diesel trucks in my 25 years operating trucks and equipment, on the Cummings diesel the Pump has a manual override knob, just turn it and bump the truck forward it will start, A pure mechanical diesel engine unlike a gas engine does not need an electrical spark for ignition. On a gas engine all you have to do is take away the electricity and the engine can't run.  A diesel uses the heat of compression to ignite the fuel so removing the electricity from a diesel may not stop it from running.

There are of course, exceptions to this. All modern diesel engines use some electrical devices to operate. Almost all diesels have an electrically operated fuel shutoff solenoid and electric fuel lift pumps. Others like the turbo diesels use an electronic injection pump. As long as these engines are getting air, fuel and electricity they will continue to run. Cutting off the electricity to these engines should stop them. One exception would be a normally aspirated diesel with a malfunctioning fuel shutoff valve.



 :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  You've had a reading comprehension fail.

I've worked on engines all my life, I don't need a lesson on how a diesel works, I grew up on the farm fixing diesel tractors, pickups, bailwagons, and generators many times..   and now I fix airplanes  :uhoh   Read my post again and comprehend...  Try starting a diesel on a cold day with no battery and no external power and let me know how that works out for you?

You can push start a gas engine with no battery because the alternator can provide enough amperage to get the ignition coil going just from the initial crank.  However glow plugs and manifold heaters get really, really hot, which takes a lot of current over at least 3-4 seconds.  A spinning alternator from a rolling truck can't cut it.  With a dead battery on a diesel you will have no preheat at all.  Not a problem really if you live in Texas of Arizona, but in any temperate to cold climate a diesel with no preheat ain't gonna start, unless you use a whole bunch of ether which will cause a bunch of other problems over time.

I'll take your word on push starting a diesel, I've never been desperate enough to try it, no doubt you can't just pop the clutch like with a gas though, like I said it's a whole lot harder to crank 20:1 compression then 8:1.  

I've had the privilege of operating a 96 Powerstroke that the glow plug controller went out on, even at 80° F, it wouldn't start.  With 2 big batteries it'll crank for a long, long time too, won't do any good with cold cylinders though.   If I gave it 3-4 long shots of ether then it would start rough, but like I said that not healthy at all.

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Re: Truck guys
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2011, 06:33:31 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2011, 07:07:49 PM »
You cannot push start a gas engine vehicle without a battery. The alternator will not produce any power without the field being activated by the battery no matter how fast you spin it. No battery and the generator is just a lump of wiring and metal.

A generator WILL create electricity without a battery due to the construction and use of magnets just by being spun.
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