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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2011, 10:22:44 PM »
I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.

all he had to do was push them back off the counter...yet he ran into the back and got a weapon....for two woman.... :rofl
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2011, 11:27:46 PM »
Quote from: ink on October 17, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.

The difference is this McDonalds employee isnt' trained to defend himself. Even a pathetic public defender will have an easy win telling the jury he feared for his life, while being gainfully employed, and wasn't looking to provoke anyone.

Even though he already did his time, I think the biggest strike against him in court is his violent history (which I can't substantiate).
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 12:51:50 AM »
Quote from: Delirium on October 17, 2011, 11:27:46 PM
The difference is this McDonalds employee isnt' trained to defend himself. Even a pathetic public defender will have an easy win telling the jury he feared for his life, while being gainfully employed, and wasn't looking to provoke anyone.

Even though he already did his time, I think the biggest strike against him in court is his violent history (which I can't substantiate).

I think they absolutely will use it against him...he is a violent x convict who used extreme violence against two woman, he seriously messed them up, broke bones...no jury is gonna think of him as a victim.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 02:35:45 AM »
A) Attacker was violent and approaching.
B) The Yute retreated to safety.
C) Attacker jumps counter and 2nd attacker also jumps counter.
D) The Yute is outnumbered, unsure if the attackers are armed and in fear of his life.
E) The Yute grabs the nearest thing that can be used for self-defense and applies self-defense.
F) Attackers refuse to comply with his instructions to stay down so more self-defense was applied until they did.
G) Case dismissed.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2011, 07:37:18 AM »
There was another customer attack in a Mcdonalds over the Summer.
A women attacked an employee because they ran out of Chicken Mcnuggets.
WTF do these people think of when they go off for stupid stuff like this.

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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2011, 08:17:28 AM »
You go over the counter after an employee, you get what you get.

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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2011, 10:35:36 AM »
I think they were nuts, but when do we expect from a culture that glorifies violence and perpetuates a false notion of personal rights?

Did she get what she deserved? I don't know... At least one of them is in the hospital with a fractured skull and charges are being pressed against them for criminal mischief and menacing.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2011, 10:59:43 AM »
That's what they get for ordering a McBeatDown

with cheese...
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2011, 11:27:32 AM »
Quote from: Tigger29 on October 18, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
That's what they get for ordering a McBeatDown

with cheese...

And a McBroken Rib with a Big s'Mac...to go.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2011, 11:35:34 AM »
Quote from: ink on October 17, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.

all he had to do was push them back off the counter...yet he ran into the back and got a weapon....for two woman.... :rofl

Keep in mind these were not ladies. Not even close.

Female or not.... once they become a threat they are fair game. They stepped out of the realm of how to treat a lady.

In the heat of the moment I'm sure the fella was not thinking how much should I defend. If he'd just tried to calculate equal force the dang mess would probably still be going on. As it is.. it finished quick and business can go back to normal as soon as the trash is hauled off.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2011, 01:30:21 PM »
The problem is most juries are going to see the initial hits as defense.  The ones to keep them on the ground and controlled are going to be seen as him attacking a downed opponent.  Personally once I had them down I would have retreated and only applied force again if they came after me, which goes along with AR self defense laws.  Of course most sane people after getting the crap smacked out of them with a metal rod are going to not want anymore.  For what it's worth the females deserved every hit but the poor guy is more than likely screwed if he goes before a jury unless he gets an outstanding lawyer.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2011, 02:19:25 PM »
Quote from: Shuffler on October 18, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Keep in mind these were not ladies. Not even close.

Female or not.... once they become a threat they are fair game. They stepped out of the realm of how to treat a lady.

In the heat of the moment I'm sure the fella was not thinking how much should I defend. If he'd just tried to calculate equal force the dang mess would probably still be going on. As it is.. it finished quick and business can go back to normal as soon as the trash is hauled off.

he would have been much better off if he did exactly that.....use of enough force to stop the situation, but not to the point of what he did, that was way beyond the threat level.

I will bet money he gets more time then they do....

I was in prison with a guy who killed someone, that broke into his house. the jury decided he used excessive force to stop the burglar, and he got life for it.

for killing someone burglarizing his home at 2 in the morning :rolleyes: 
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2011, 02:25:05 PM »
Good news is it looks like he has strong community support. McD fired him, but there is a defense fund started and a support group up on Facebook.
The dude should walk, imho.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2011, 02:30:38 PM »
Quote from: rpm on October 18, 2011, 02:25:05 PM
Good news is it looks like he has strong community support. McD fired him, but there is a defense fund started and a support group up on Facebook.
The dude should walk, imho.

wish you were on my jury...... :D


seriously though, he did go a bit over board, he is definitely gonna need a good lawyer, sad to say that is probably gonna be the deciding factor if he does time or not.
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Re: Micky D's
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2011, 03:28:16 PM »
Quote from: ink on October 18, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
he would have been much better off if he did exactly that.....use of enough force to stop the situation, but not to the point of what he did, that was way beyond the threat level.

I will bet money he gets more time then they do....

I was in prison with a guy who killed someone, that broke into his house. the jury decided he used excessive force to stop the burglar, and he got life for it.

for killing someone burglarizing his home at 2 in the morning :rolleyes: 

Yes he could have waited to see if they kill him first.

In the latter incident.... hope all those jurrors suffer the consequences of their idiocy. I truely hope each one is burglarized and made to pay dearly for their bleeding heart. In hopes that innocent folks may not suffer for their actions.

Here in Texas we have a right to defend our home and property. There are rules of engagement for day and night. They do differ some.
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