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Offline mthrockmor

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Fw-190D-13
« on: October 18, 2011, 08:03:12 PM »
I know many are going to bust my chops for not doing CIA type research, instead relying on glorified Wiki sites but...

The Dora13 is a slightly improved Dora-9, which is in the game. From what I can tell the biggest differences include the removal of the two cowl 12.7mms, slightly better top end speed and mechanical assistance on flight controls to include auto pilot. The Dora-13 only had the two 20mms though this provided most of the killing power anyway. I have not been able to find how many were made, though clearly it came at the end of the war so likely a small number with even fewer making it to combat. I do not expect in any way the Dora-13 to be added for years, if at all, though I find the model interesting, quite beautiful and hope to learn more about it. I'm sure much better researchers can shed a great deal more light on this. I think the next step was the Ta-152. I did find several links that appear informative though they are in German. Wiki barely mentions it. Here is a link or two...

http://www.cebudanderson.com/yellow10.htm

http://rhorta.home.xs4all.nl/ee_fw190.htm

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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2011, 08:20:49 PM »
According to Dietmar Hermann's book "FW 190 "Long Nose-An Illustrated History of the FW 190D Series" there were only a handful, if that produced.  Only 2 were shown as making it to an operational unit, with one from JG 51 being captured at the end of the war.

Not that I have any say, but you can have your D-13 when I get my 100 Spit XIIs :)
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 09:56:21 PM »
as much of a luftweenie as i am, i can't see a place for the d13.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 10:37:53 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on October 18, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
as much of a luftweenie as i am, i can't see a place for the d13.

I would love to see this AC, even in real life (I believe there is only one that survived in the war and keep in Washington) I do not think they saw any action.   If they did, could be no more then the Metor or B-32 saw.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 10:41:56 PM »
Quote from: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
I would love to see this AC, even in real life (I believe there is only one that survived in the war and keep in Washington) I do not think they saw any action.   If they did, could be no more then the Metor or B-32 saw.

Paul Allen has the surviving D-13 with his collection in Washington. 
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 10:46:28 PM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on October 18, 2011, 10:41:56 PM
Paul Allen has the surviving D-13 with his collection in Washington. 

Ah, thank you.  Is this the vary same D-13 that the German pilot (group CO i believe) flew to a RAF base in Germany and surender in May of 1945?
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »
Quote from: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
Ah, thank you.  Is this the vary same D-13 that the German pilot (group CO i believe) flew to a RAF base in Germany and surender in May of 1945?

I think so.  It was test flown in mock combat against a Tempest after the war was over, being flown by a German pilot too!  I know they used to ground run the engine.  I'm sure with Paul Allen it will be restored to flyable, although I think they decided against ever flying it due to it's rarity.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 11:10:56 PM »
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 08:58:10 AM »
To be clear, while I have this under 'wish list' I am not agitating to have it added as a plane. For many reasons I know this isn't going to happen, and likely shouldn't. I just wanted to learn more then I found on the internet and was confident the AH community knows more then the internet about WW2 planes.

My next curiousity is the Spit Mark 21.

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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 10:48:12 AM »
Many people don't realize the 152 was being designed before the d series of 190s. 152s lead to D series of 190s. The 152 was to be Kurt Tanks premier fighter and the D series a stop gap.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 11:50:12 AM »
Rather than a D series, how about 152C.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 12:16:39 PM »
Quote from: perdue3 on October 19, 2011, 11:50:12 AM
Rather than a D series, how about 152C.

What Variant do we have now?
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Offline Krusty

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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 12:25:43 PM »
152H-1... Pretty different. Only problem is the C-0 was a preproduction series and only a few of those saw combat. I'd love a C-0 with 4x MG151/20 and 1x Mk108 hub gun!!

However, it won't happen. Better bet is a 190D-11/D-12/D-13 of some sort. That's still a long shot, given the numbers built and how many were used. These also had different engines like the 152C (C and H changed engines, different performance curves, etc).
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 12:44:22 PM »
I am happy and sad. Krusty is back but, Krusty is back.
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Re: Fw-190D-13
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 01:28:12 PM »
Go fly off a bridge perdue. He asked a simple question, I gave a direct answer. What do we have? The 152H-1. How is it different? Different engines.
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