Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll

[Wiley]

My guess is many had never heard of it before this poll.

That's my thinking as well.  I thought its combo of attributes would make it a contender for people who like the MA.

I wonder what it would have been like if the ingame poll window had looked something in the general direction of this:

X Me410: Engines: 2 Top speed: 388mph Armament:2x7.92, 2x20mm,2x13mm, up to 1000kg bombs, Maneuverability: Slightly better than Me110
X Ki43: Engines: 1 Top speed: 329mph Armament 2x12.7mm Maneuverability: Godlike.
X J2M3: Engines: 1 Top speed: 382mph Armament: 4x20mm Maneuverability: Somewhat like Ki-84
etc.

That way people wouldn't be voting completely blind on the stuff they've never heard of, but they don't have to, y'know... read and go to wikipedia to find out about them.

I wonder if it would've changed the outcome.  Wish this had occurred to me when they put up the first forum poll.

Wiley.

[B4Buster]

I have no doubt the J2M would have received more votes if more were informed about it.

[Shuffler]

Beaufighter didn't get in which to shuffler was the only choice. No amount of argument is going to change his mind.

410 or Yak-3 are perfectly good choices. We could even use them in events.

 I want to vote yak-3 but I don't hold out hope its going to win. So its 410.

 Your opinion... go with it. Not going to try to explain to you as you'd not understand.

[Shuffler]

No, that is why I voted for the Me410.

Now answer the question.  You, and others, seem to feel the need to lie or distort the Meteor's record in order to invalidate it.  You can argue against its validity perfectly well while being honest about it.

 If you want to rewrite history of the meteor go ahead.

I have seen no one lie. Facts are facts.

[Ruah]

Beaufighter didn't get in which to shuffler was the only choice. No amount of argument is going to change his mind.

410 or Yak-3 are perfectly good choices. We could even use them in events.

 I want to vote yak-3 but I don't hold out hope its going to win. So its 410.

this - although I feel strongly that the ki-43 would have been better, and then the Yak-3.  But the overall logic is sound.  especially the last bit.

[B4Buster]

The Beau was not the only plane worth voting in, in Shuff's mind.

[Karnak]

If you want to rewrite history of the meteor go ahead.

I have seen no one lie. Facts are facts.

Its a "fact" that the Meteor didn't see combat?  Its a "fact" that it was less significant the Ta152?

Those don't look like facts to me.  They look like opinions.

[Oldman731]

Its a "fact" that it was less significant the Ta152?

The inclusion of the Ta152 in AH really is something of an aberration.  Back in the 1970s there was a whole crowd of people saying, essentially, "Wow, that Kurt Tank was a genius!  If he'd had his way the Ta152 would have won the war!"  I understand why it's here, but really, it isn't representative of the overall plane set and it ought not to be used as a minimum standard like you're doing here.

- oldman (I mean, if it was, then the P80 squadron in Italy would probably qualify for inclusion in the game)

[Karnak]

The inclusion of the Ta152 in AH really is something of an aberration.  Back in the 1970s there was a whole crowd of people saying, essentially, "Wow, that Kurt Tank was a genius!  If he'd had his way the Ta152 would have won the war!"  I understand why it's here, but really, it isn't representative of the overall plane set and it ought not to be used as a minimum standard like you're doing here.

- oldman (I mean, if it was, then the P80 squadron in Italy would probably qualify for inclusion in the game)

I agree that the Ta152 is an aberration.  It is the current bar that a potential add has to match or exceed.  To my mind, the Meteor III's 19 V1 kills and 46 aircraft destroyed on the ground exceed that mark.

The Two YP-80s in Italy do not exceed that mark as unlike the Ta152 the YP-80 was not 1) in series production 2) in use at a squadron level and 3) did not see combat.

[viking73]

And just what kind of cheese do you want with this Whiny post?   

[JUGgler]

I don't see the Westland Whirlwind in that list, WTF?





JUGgler

[Oldman731]

I agree that the Ta152 is an aberration.  It is the current bar that a potential add has to match or exceed.  To my mind, the Meteor III's 19 V1 kills and 46 aircraft destroyed on the ground exceed that mark.

The Two YP-80s in Italy do not exceed that mark as unlike the Ta152 the YP-80 was not 1) in series production 2) in use at a squadron level and 3) did not see combat.

My point was:  We don't need two aberrations.  One is just fine.  Otherwise we start having to decide how many times the plane took off, whether its pilot flew over enemy lines, saw people fighting on the ground, whatever.

For that matter, was Ta152 ever in series production and in use at squadron level? 

- oldman

[Karnak]

My point was:  We don't need two aberrations.  One is just fine.  Otherwise we start having to decide how many times the plane took off, whether its pilot flew over enemy lines, saw people fighting on the ground, whatever.

I voted for the Me410 for a reason.    For my part I don't really see the Meteor III as any more of an aberration than the Me163, Ta152 or perhaps the Ar234 and three gun La-7.  We certainly don't need it and it doesn't fill any holes, but it does fit in with the established group of almost never used superplanes.  By including it in the poll HTC has made their position on it pretty clear.

For that matter, was Ta152 ever in series production and in use at squadron level? 

- oldman

Series production, yes, for sure.  Squadron service?  I've seen claims both ways for that.

[Vinkman]

And just what kind of cheese do you want with this Whiny post?   

Brie of course 

[icepac]

99% of the votes were cast in the main arena which means the late war speedsters with heavy armament will be voted in.