Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll

[Ruah]

The last thing we need is more jets. 

That said, the yak3 will be very similar to the 9u - it should climb a little better and accelerate a little better - but it will still have the sucktastic ShivaK 20mm with 120 rounds (its ok at 200, but really anything is ok at 200) - it should not win any new yak fans but I know when I first came into AH, I was eager to fly the yak3 and worked on the 9U as practice (before I became a die hard luftwaffle).

The 410 actually adds something new, but I felt that since this was a fighter vote - it would be nice to get a LW fighter.  Which the 410 is not.

People who want the Oscar or the Beau make no sense to me. . . they will see use in EW/MW/AvA/historical and that is it. . . I can't see anyone taking one machine gun on a paper and wood candle stick Japanese fighter into the LWA and expect to have a good time (except as entertainment for all of us who love lighting them on fire) - at least the zero has 2 cannons.

Anwway, I am happy with the pace new aircraft are added and appreciate the poll a lot.

[Squire]

People who want the Oscar or the Beau make no sense to me

Scenarios, FSOs, Snapshots...its where WW2 happens in AH. If we had a planeset that only appealed to the LWA flyers we could just roll out "Aces High:1946" and be done with it filled with a lot of hardly flew or never saw combat zooper neeto wonder planes like the YP-80, F7F and Kikka, oh and the V-2 rocket. Got to have one of those.

Ki-43 Oscar? ya....why have the Japanese Air Forces most widely used second word war fighter in a WW2 flight game?

Call us crazy. 

[Noir]

Don't assume too much on the meteor votes, most of us just want to have fun in the LWA horde with an uber fighter. Wishing for hangar queens don't make people any smarter.

[coombz]

I think the question that folks should ask in the end, is which new addition provides the most 'bang for the buck' in terms of all parts of the game.

I think the Yak3 is the best answer to this question

However I voted for the Meteor 

[moot]

The Meteor Mk III would not change the rules of what can be added at all.

1) It was in series production.
2) It was in service in squadron strength. If the Ta152C and Fw190D-9 didn't fail on step 1, they fail here.
3) It saw combat.  This is where the F7F, F8F and P-51H fail.

Karnak - out of curiosity:  would you approve of a variant of some major WWII warbird (e.g. Mossie or 410 or Beau) that satisfied the above criteria?  As in, on top of satisfying the criteria, the variant is inarguably different from that model's more common variants and what's different about it also happens to make it a truly novel and fun aircraft type - much more so than the main variants... Which'd make adding it along with the other main variants much more bang for our buck.

The 410 actually adds something new, but I felt that since this was a fighter vote - it would be nice to get a LW fighter.  Which the 410 is not.

How's that?

which new addition provides the most 'bang for the buck' in terms of all parts of the game.

Uncanny.. I don't read the forum much anymore but.. Pretty much every other time I've read your posts the last times I've checked in, there's some idiom or other turn of phrase in your post, identical to what I just wrote before getting to your post. 

[Oldman731]

People who want the Oscar or the Beau make no sense to me. . . they will see use in EW/MW/AvA/historical and that is it. . . I can't see anyone taking one machine gun on a paper and wood candle stick Japanese fighter into the LWA and expect to have a good time (except as entertainment for all of us who love lighting them on fire) - at least the zero has 2 cannons.

As others have (repeatedly) pointed out, Late War already has all the best late war planes.  See, e.g., Guppy's comment about the Meteor on the preceding page of this thread.  Late War people should be very happy that they already have everything they could reasonably want.  Now HTC can move on and fill out the plane sets for the other arenas and the special events, which have glaring gaps.

- oldman

[Widewing]

People who want the Oscar or the Beau make no sense to me. . . they will see use in EW/MW/AvA/historical and that is it. . . I can't see anyone taking one machine gun on a paper and wood candle stick Japanese fighter into the LWA and expect to have a good time (except as entertainment for all of us who love lighting them on fire) - at least the zero has 2 cannons.

You have to understand that what you and others consider a "good time" is often likely to be very different.

The Beaufighter would be a very potent aircraft in any arena. I often fly the A-20 as a fighter (with good success). The slightly more maneuverable Beaufighter with a nose full of cannons is something I'd love to fly. As to the Ki-43, I would fly it as well. It's agility would make it very enjoyable. I often fly the less capable aircraft because it presents a challenge to get kills and survive. This past week, I've been flying the P-40N a bit and having a blast in it.

[gyrene81]

I voted meteor thank you  

 that figures...

me410 and beaufighter should be in a bomber poll

i'm curious how "heavy fighter" translates to "bomber" on your planet...because they are twin engine and carry bombs? perhaps where you're from the p-38 and bf-110 are considered bombers as well...

Don't assume too much on the meteor votes, most of us just want to have fun in the LWA horde with an uber fighter. Wishing for hangar queens don't make people any smarter.

if the pony and the dora aren't "uber" enough...fly the tempest or 262.

[Wiley]

The Meteor is a no brainer, as are the me410 and yak3. All are late war and as some may have observed that is where the vast majority spend their time. I think adding yet more early aircraft like the ki43 and beaufighter that have little chance of survival in the late war is a mistake, I understand for scenarios and FSO's and so on they have a place to fill but they will only be used by a small percentage of players in certain events while the other 95% of players who spend 99% of their time in the late war arena will just have another useless plane to scroll past. Bring on the allied jet already instead of a tissue paper thin slow sadly undergunned plane like the ki43 or most of the list that was up for vote. I also think some of the comments about how the jets shouldnt exist and the 262 should be removed and that its some kind of magic killing machine that cannot be defended against and so on and so forth. I have always found defending against a 262 to be very easy as it really only requires the very most basic SA to spot and then avoid. I would always prefer to have a 262 buzzing around than some dweeb in a pony running all day from anything within 5k of em while they are trying to find someone to pick. If you folks dont want the jets how about we do away with them but perk everything currently under 20ENY? Bottom line is we will see the Meteor every day in the MA and if one were ever to spot the rare ki43 in the same MA it would be circling in its ack as thats all it would be capable of against the common rides used.

 
Mendo

This right here is the attitude I believe will be the majority, and this is why I'm expecting the Meteor to win.

The only planes worth adding are ones that are either better than or very competitive with the top end stuff we currently have.

[PFactorDave]

This right here is the attitude I believe will be the majority, and this is why I'm expecting the Meteor to win.

The only planes worth adding are ones that are either better than or very competitive with the top end stuff we currently have.

 

If the Meteor wins, I hope that Hitech gives up this poll plan for future additions.  He needs to go back to the philosophy that the players don't really know what they want.

[Debrody]

Meteor mk III is just like asking for the p-80. nuff said
There are MANY core fighters missing. Yet the sheep is asking for the uber, then the more uberer, then the post-war stuff, then go play il-2 1946. Competitive mid-war fighters ftw.

[Ruah]

wowa!

in defense of my beau/oscar comment - I am a huge fan of the scenerio/AvA/historical stuff and it was a major reason I subscribe.  That said though, I am of the opinion that there are still some fighters that fill a LWA slot that are missing, and these planes should get some degree of priority.  As I wrote at the very end, I think eventually everything will be added - but - its a matter of prioritization.  And I feel that the yak3 and a few other LW Japanese and Italian fighters should get introduced before others should.  The end is the same, the path there is different.  And that is a personal opinion.  Th reason is simply because while historical stuff is great, 90% of my time in AH is spent in LWA, and until that changes, I prioritize as such.

[Noir]

I won't quote quotes, but I would expect a fighter poll to feature pure fighter airframes. It was sarcasm based on the B38 joke....ok i was bad

I flew hundreds of hours of 190's, ponies...tempests are not my cup of tea and 262's are useless against fighters....the meteor will hopefully be able to give me a fix of high speed with good maneuvrabity....some fun! Is that bad ?

[Debrody]

gimme the do-335 then





oh and the messer p-1101 too
weirdo   allies high

[Krusty]

Noir: Pure fighter only?

You and Tilt have the same wrong mentality about what a fighter is... I'll quote my response to him because it applies here:

Tilt you have a far more narrow personal definition of what "fighter" is than most nations in the world. While you might argue the Beau is an "attacker" (variation on "fighter") the 410 is a fighter just as much as the 110 is, just as much as a Sturmbock Fw190 is. Just as much as a 262 is. None of these were "air superiority" fighters, a term which was not created until the F-15 design many many years later.

They simply were fighters. Or do you consider a P-47 no longer a "fighter" because it's used to carry bombs so much?

Generally speaking, everything on that list is a fighter. They're not bombers. In WW2 you carried guns and went out to kill the enemy. Or you bombed them THEN killed them. There was no such narrow-minded definition even in the stricter designations of the USN. Even "bombers" and "dive bombers" performed CAP and fighter duties off of their carriers regularly.