Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll

[Guppy35]

I won't quote quotes, but I would expect a fighter poll to feature pure fighter airframes. It was sarcasm based on the B38 joke....ok i was bad

I flew hundreds of hours of 190's, ponies...tempests are not my cup of tea and 262's are useless against fighters....the meteor will hopefully be able to give me a fix of high speed with good maneuvrabity....some fun! Is that bad ?

You do understand that the Meteor was not as capable as the 262 in WW2 correct?

[Guppy35]

I won't quote quotes, but I would expect a fighter poll to feature pure fighter airframes. It was sarcasm based on the B38 joke....ok i was bad

I flew hundreds of hours of 190's, ponies...tempests are not my cup of tea and 262's are useless against fighters....the meteor will hopefully be able to give me a fix of high speed with good maneuvrabity....some fun! Is that bad ?

LOL you do understand that there were no pure fighter airframes by late war.  All were multi-role capable.  You do also understand that the best performers of late war are already in game?

[Noir]

You do understand that the Meteor was not as capable as the 262 in WW2 correct?

Yes, the wing design amongst other things didn't allow it to be as fast as the 262, I expect it to turn much better tho, and handle much better at low speeds.

LOL you do understand that there were no pure fighter airframes by late war.  All were multi-role capable.  You do also understand that the best performers of late war are already in game?

I get the spirit, it has guns so it can strafe ground targets. But you can't say that the 410 and the Beau are made to shoot down fighters, or bombers by daytime.
In the best performers category I'd like to see the meteor, both latest 190A and D models, a spitfire XII, thats all I can think of right now.

[Guppy35]

Yes, the wing design amongst other things didn't allow it to be as fast as the 262, I expect it to turn much better tho, and handle much better at low speeds.

I get the spirit, it has guns so it can strafe ground targets. But you can't say that the 410 and the Beau are made to shoot down fighters, or bombers by daytime.
In the best performers category I'd like to see the meteor, both latest 190A and D models, a spitfire XII, thats all I can think of right now.

Might want to check up on the Meteor handling.  A 616 squadron pilot I got to know back in the 80s flew the Meteor with them from the time they got them in 44 til the end.  He also flew the 262.  His comments are what I base mine on. Hard to argue with a service test pilot who flew them both He said the only thing better about the Meteor was the engine was more reliable.  But since we don't have engine reliability modeled into the game, that's not much of an issue. 

Looking back at his letters, I note he said the 262 cruised near the all out speed of the Meteor III among other things.

I'm not against having the Meteor.  I just think folks are expecting it to be a world beater and it wasn't.

You mention the Spit XII and other 190 models.  Not new birds though, which is what I think the vote is about.

Selfishly I would take the Spit XII before anything else, but I try and look at what would have the biggest impact on the game overall, not just what sounds good to me.  That leads me back to the Ki-43, Beau and 410

[Vinkman]

For my two cents....

I favor adding planes that would be fun to fly for a large portion of the playing populus.

KI-43 will be a hangar queen.
 
Beau fighter will be hangar queen.

Meteors...hmmm depends on perking. If they are lower cost than 262s and are not as fast or accelerate even worse, than they may be easy pray for typhies, ponies, and P-47s.
              If so they might be fun to try to get kills in and to kill. Although, I think they will be perked just to keep the numbers down. A high perk cost will make them hangar queens.
 
Me 410 will get a lot of use for its capability and diversity. A great new toy that lots of folks will find ways to use on a continuing basis. No brainer.


I voted for the 410.  


...because the P-63 wasn't on the list.  

[Shuffler]

Why pick 2 losers like Kobe and Lebron lol.

You need a better comparison.


Your post made no sense to me. Evidently your sayinf once a plane has been in a vote that it should no longer be a choice? That would scratch moff the list most all contenders.

[Guppy35]

For my two cents....

I favor adding planes that would be fun to fly for a large portion of the playing populus.

KI-43 will be a hangar queen.
 
Beau fighter will be hangar queen.

Meteors...hmmm depends on perking. If they are lower cost than 262s and are not as fast or accelerate even worse, than they may be easy pray for typhies, ponies, and P-47s.
              If so they might be fun to try to get kills in and to kill. Although, I think they will be perked just to keep the numbers down. A high perk cost will make them hangar queens.
 
Me 410 will get a lot of use for its capability and diversity. A great new toy that lots of folks will find ways to use on a continuing basis. No brainer.


I voted for the 410.  


...because the P-63 wasn't on the list.  

Sure Vink.  I support your P-63 wish and you bash my Beaufighter dreams.  Thanks a lot!

Beau actually has more capability and diversity then the 410.  Torp, Rockets, bombs, 4 20mm.  Fast on the deck.   

[lyric1]

Wow  Amazing the amount of moaning of what should or should not be in.

Look at it this way what ever gets in if it was not your choice. The chances of what you preferred is one step closer.

After all at some point we will run out of aircraft to choose from.

[Karnak]

Guppy,

Keep in mind that the Meteor III's top speed on the deck was still about 100 miles an hour faster than the Tempest on 100 octane.  Sure, the Me262 is faster, but the Meteor III is still very fast compared to piston fighters.  Its climb rate is also superior to the Me262's and the four Hispanos will likely be significantly easier to hit fighters with than the four MK108s, though against bombers probably not as nice.  The Me262 should also be the more stable gun platform as the Meteor experienced "snaking" until the post war Mk IV.

As to the wings, the Mk IV with the same wings set a world speed record of 615mph in 1946.  It just needed more thrust to reach that speed than would the Me262.

From a fighter perspective in AH I would be more worried about Meteors showing up than Me262s due to the guns.

[Krusty]

I don't think Noir really knows the first thing about Me410s after his last comment there....


Seriously?

[Nutzoid]

All very interesting. I wonder if maybe there ought to be polls for specific arenas. Poll the AvA guys and see what they want/need to make the game more fun for them. Do the same with the other arenas, if this is possible. With regards to the LW arena, IMHO I think the selection boils down to which plane/s the majority of folks want to try, IE which ones may be the most fun to fly, not fill out any gaps in the plane set (which I personally don't agree with).
 If it isn't too much trouble for HTC, perhaps a temporary trial of of the planes selected, say spread out over a few months, in order to compile a "usage" report of that plane. If it's determined to be nothing more than a hanger queen, remove it and move on to the next one.
So for that reason, I voted ME410, Beaufighter and a write in for the P61. Again they may not fill a specific need, but I think they would be a Hoot to fly! 


Nutz

[Krusty]

If it isn't too much trouble for HTC, perhaps a temporary trial of of the planes selected

It IS too much trouble... Once the plane is built it's not temporary, and it's not a trial. They're not going to REVOKE the plane.

The question is, with 1 team and limited man-hours, which do they work on first. That's the only question. It's not about testing it with different sub-arenas to see who likes it most in the AvA. I'm sorry but that's just a terrible idea.


EDIT: Also, you're against planes that fill holes in the planeset, but the AvA and the EWA and the MWA all are affected very much BY planes that fill holes in the planeset. Just food for thought.

[FBCrabby]

I find it hilarious...

The poll is pretty much pointless to ask what we want to have next... We're just gunna end up getting them anyways... Ki-43 - Yak3 - ME 410 - they're more than likely been in the works already and HTC just wanted to make you feel like they want your opinion!

Its like a mother telling their kids before xmas what they already got for them - then asking - oh what do you want first

[PFactorDave]

My argument against the Meteor is that it really does not fill any gaps in the plane set, considering how it was used in the war.

Also, I don't believe that the Main Arena needs another plane that is basically designed to pick and run.  There are plenty that fill that role already.

[Vinkman]

Sure Vink.  I support your P-63 wish and you bash my Beaufighter dreams.  Thanks a lot!

Beau actually has more capability and diversity then the 410.  Torp, Rockets, bombs, 4 20mm.  Fast on the deck.   

I took a quick look at Beaufighter specs and plane layout. So perhaps I have yet to develop the appreciation for this palne that it deserves.