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Offline Vulcan

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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2011, 02:42:57 AM »
corporate firewalls can stop people from getting out to the internet, which is the only way to stop a majority of infections. but if it's an educational institution, blocking the internet would be considered facist. i work at a university and the rules are different from the corporate world. the firewalls you're thinking about won't block anything that is within the network if it originates from a computer that is used off site or from a disc of some sort. there are a myriad of ways to localize a problem to one system but, nothing short of cutting the connection is 100% effective.

Well here we go again. Several of my clients are educational institutes. You don't need to block the internet to stop virus's getting into the network via the internet. You just need a decent firewall and not some noob that believes iptables with snort 'configured right' will do the job. And you don't need to be a fascist either.

And if you have had an issue with mcafee I'd guarantee it was operator error. I've seen mcafee clean up networks in a very short time that were running MS Forefront or CA eTrust that were rampant with infections. Centralised management is not the only thing I like about McAfee - the behavioral aspects are what makes the difference. Signature based % tests are meh. A properly tuned AV solution kills most threat vectors effectively. Artemis also added a lot to the product.

As for my experience that's was just 8 years in security. ie After 17 years in doing a lot of work with PC's (from CPM, MS-DOS 2.11, OS/2 Warp, Amiga Workbench, Windows 3, and so on, not counting my non-commercial teen years experience either) I focused more on security.

Maybe I'm throwing my 'virtual testies' out there, but all I'm offering is the persons advice "who does security for living" vs the home-school option.

Pembquist I'm running kaspersky at home on some of my network (we got given a 10 node test license). I like it too.
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2011, 09:33:50 AM »
jeez then it's not really the av that is at fault, but the people who use it.

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well, the anti-virus is supposed to protect the computer user from themselves. people with computers can be too stupid for words.



Well here we go again. Several of my clients are educational institutes. You don't need to block the internet to stop virus's getting into the network via the internet. You just need a decent firewall and not some noob that believes iptables with snort 'configured right' will do the job. And you don't need to be a fascist either.

And if you have had an issue with mcafee I'd guarantee it was operator error. I've seen mcafee clean up networks in a very short time that were running MS Forefront or CA eTrust that were rampant with infections. Centralised management is not the only thing I like about McAfee - the behavioral aspects are what makes the difference. Signature based % tests are meh. A properly tuned AV solution kills most threat vectors effectively. Artemis also added a lot to the product.

As for my experience that's was just 8 years in security. ie After 17 years in doing a lot of work with PC's (from CPM, MS-DOS 2.11, OS/2 Warp, Amiga Workbench, Windows 3, and so on, not counting my non-commercial teen years experience either) I focused more on security.

Maybe I'm throwing my 'virtual testies' out there, but all I'm offering is the persons advice "who does security for living" vs the home-school option.
that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution. desktop performance problems aside, the behavioral algorithms used to be absolute crap, especially on the email scanner. not to mention the fact that web based mouse over silent autoinstallers that the firefox plugin no-script stopped cold, wouldn't get blocked before they could begin. if mcafee enterprise has improved over the last 2-3 years that's great, means people using it aren't wasting their money anymore, they're just putting up with the other problems it creates. good luck with that.
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2011, 09:52:25 AM »
If you buy off the shelf machines..... first thing...... delete norton and mcafee.
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2011, 01:19:07 PM »
that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution.

ya whatever.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2011, 01:20:11 PM »
Shut up Vulcan.  You noob.
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2011, 11:09:22 PM »
i built a new system last spring and the Asus mobo came with Kasperskis     and had a problem yet!    rule of thumb leave moreton and Mcaffee alone!
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2011, 01:52:03 AM »
PC Tools Spyware Doctor with AntiVirus....

I've used it for years, and no machine we have it on has ever been infected by a virus or malware.

$40 buys you three licenses for three machines.

Very highly rated in independent tests.

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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2011, 03:56:51 AM »
I've used common sense for years and never got infected with malware or viruses. And it's totally free!
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2011, 12:51:27 PM »
Ive used the paid version of Avira for about 3 years now with zero problems, I dont see anyone mention it here, anyone else use it or have an opinion on it?
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2011, 01:06:27 PM »
I'll just throw this out there, but for the past few years I've run and recomended Vipre.

I don't recommend it anymore, their whole pitch was an anti-virus that caught everything and never slowed your system down. Lately the've been screwing up all sorts of definitions and it has been causing nothing but trouble and big slowdowns to machines I support. We finally bagged on the licenses and no longer recommend it.

I've been going with MSE as a test replacement for now and it is showing promise.
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2011, 10:09:07 PM »
well, the anti-virus is supposed to protect the computer user from themselves. people with computers can be too stupid for words.


that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution. desktop performance problems aside, the behavioral algorithms used to be absolute crap, especially on the email scanner. not to mention the fact that web based mouse over silent autoinstallers that the firefox plugin no-script stopped cold, wouldn't get blocked before they could begin. if mcafee enterprise has improved over the last 2-3 years that's great, means people using it aren't wasting their money anymore, they're just putting up with the other problems it creates. good luck with that.

I dare you to use any av and go pron surfing, see how long you will last without catching a virus.


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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2011, 11:15:24 PM »
I dare you to use any av and go pron surfing, see how long you will last without catching a virus.

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going on 3 years with avast...  :lol  with internet explorer even...

there are some chinese and russian sports sites that are much worse...
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Re: Anti-Virus/Security Software
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2011, 11:43:35 PM »
going on 3 years with avast...  :lol  with internet explorer even...

there are some chinese and russian sports sites that are much worse...

and you have never gotten a virus while porn surfing? not even one?


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