Round 3 voting

[moot]

Seeing as production stopped mid '44 I don't think you can consider it truly "late war" ... Unless that's reverse psychology to get other to vote for it?


(In which case... "yeah, I agree!")

You only agree if my above post was some mind game BS...  It wasn't.  

Mid 44 is late war by AH standards.  The 410 will get slaughtered by any of the 38s and the F-Mossie.  Tail guns and BK5/MK103 are nothing but curious gizmos if most of the player base couldn't put em to work because of how much of a pig the plane is for A2A.  On top of being almost redundant with the 110.  Definitely redundant if we're only considering what most players care most about: A2A "melee".

Hence it being a waste of HTC's resources in many/most people's POV.

[Krusty]

The Yak3 was out March 1944 and in front line strength in the summer of 1944. Meteor came around in July 1944. The only thing left on the poll is the Me410 but some are voting for it for the big guns it may carry.

Meteor came around in July 1944, but when did they go across the channel? Wasn't it just a month (or a few?) before the war was over?

But if you're right on the yak I must have been thinking of the earlier model or something else. My mistake.

[Delirium]

I did vote for the Me410, not because it will fill some hole in the planeset, but because the other two choices are simply 'faster or higher' (or both).

[Krusty]

You only agree if my above post was some mind game BS...  It wasn't.  

Mid 44 is late war by AH standards.  The 410 will get slaughtered by any of the 38s and the F-Mossie.  Tail guns and BK5/MK103 are nothing but curious gizmos if most of the player base couldn't put em to work because of how much of a pig the plane is for A2A.  On top of being almost redundant with the 110.  Definitely redundant if we're only considering what most players care most about: A2A "melee".

Hence it being a waste of HTC's resources in many/most people's POV.

LOL, that's rich. I shall also declare the spit9 redundant because we have a spit5. I will also declare a mossie useless because it's a bit of a pig and its quad hissos are "only a curious gizmo," and I will declare the Ta152 is redundant because we have a Fw190D9. The D9 is redundant because we have the A8. The A8 redundant because we have the A5. By transitive power, the Ta152 is redundant because we have the 190A5.


So, like I said, that's a rich comment!  

[Karnak]

Voted for the Me410 because I think it might be a fun aircraft to fight against in the Mossie.

Though the masochistic part of me is really curious about how the Meteor would handle.

[moot]

LOL, that's rich. I shall also declare the spit9 redundant because we have a spit5. I will also declare a mossie useless because it's a bit of a pig and its quad hissos are "only a curious gizmo," and I will declare the Ta152 is redundant because we have a Fw190D9. The D9 is redundant because we have the A8. The A8 redundant because we have the A5. By transitive power, the Ta152 is redundant because we have the 190A5.


So, like I said, that's a rich comment!  

Yes if the spit was as relatively less significant as the 410 is in the context here, IE which plane to add next here and now in this game Aces High.

The Mossie's no pig.  The quad 20s aren't just curious gizmos EXACTLY because the airframe allows em to be put to excellent use.

The 152 is not arguably redundant to the 190s and all of Luftwaffe planeset because nothing else does high altitude nor its mix of hi-alt/long range + tnb + heavy firepower.  The 152's a completely different animal from the rest of the 190 line up.  

By transitive power,

I didn't write that strawman.

Voted for the Me410 because I think it might be a fun aircraft to fight against in the Mossie.

Though the masochistic part of me is really curious about how the Meteor would handle.

Mossie will tear it up.  But that's ok if it has those tail guns, right?

[skorpion]

if the Yak-3 makes it into the game, im definately coming back for sure.



if the Yak-3 doesnt make it, then i wait for the StuG III.

[Krusty]

It's not a strawman... It's meant to bring to light how silly your comment was. Your post was most amusing, thank you.

[moot]

It's a straw man because it's got nothing to do with what I said.

The mossie is no pig
The 152's not just another 190
The spitfire's nothing nearly as useless and as much of a mere curiosity as the 410 is as far as typical MA furball gameplay and historically, in the context of AH's plane set and "next plane" priorities right now.

[Krusty]

The mossie is no pig
The 152's not just another 190
The spitfire's nothing nearly as useless

And the 410 isn't a redundant 110G....


So you see how it ties that back into my response?


Look, don't overthink it. If you're going to vote uber MA-only planes, go for it. I choose not to vote for the Meteor, as that is the only logical choice if you go down that path.

[moot]

The 410 is redundant to the 110 because it adds nothing in terms of A2A dogfighting, adds little in terms of ground destruction, and will be equivalent to the A8 and its proven popularity track record if it's loaded up with those precious big guns.

Your strawman is ignorable because it's exaggerated beyond any resemblance with what it's supposed to address.

Look, don't overthink it. If you're going to vote uber MA-only planes, go for it. I choose not to vote for the Meteor, as that is the only logical choice if you go down that path.

All wrong

[Krusty]

It wasn't a strawman. It was a logical implication of what my response was without typing the actual response.


You, however, seem to be into 410 bashing right now (your claims are all wrong IMO) so I'll just go check out the next thread. I'll pop back in and check on you, if you like? Mkaythanxbye.


 

[gyrene81]

The Yak3 was out March 1944 and in front line strength in the summer of 1944. Meteor came around in July 1944. The only thing left on the poll is the Me410 but some are voting for it for the big guns it may carry.

ahem, yak3 partial wooden/fabric construction with m-105pf-2 1200hp engine...1943.
yak3 partial wooden construction vk-107a 1500hp engine (prototype)...1944.
yak3 vk-107a 1500hp (modified) all metal construction...spring 1945 initial 75 planes constructed at zavod n.31 in tbilisi.

[dirtdart]

I voted for the Meteor.  I reckon it will be perked less than a 262.  I also reckon that it will get caught a lot by prop planes, moreso than the 262.  All that said, it will be nice to have some balance when it comes to jets.  All of our jets are German.  

[Krusty]

The allies thought the same thing in WW2....