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Offline Volron

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2011, 12:02:56 AM »
Round 1, Beau.

Round 2, 410.

Round 3, 410.

I voted 410 in round two because I honestly didn't think the Beau would get knocked out.  I expected it to be the Beau, 410 and Meteor.  Kind of wish I had voted the Beau again... :bhead  But with a margin of 1%+, I highly doubt my vote would've made a difference. :cry  I am expecting the Meteor to win, unfortunately.  But it would've been awesome if we had a 39/25 type of thing happen between the 410 and Beau and ended up with both.
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2011, 12:41:02 AM »
If next round is between the Me410 and either the Meteor or Yak-3 I will vote for the Me410.  If it is between the Meteor and Yak-3 I will vote for the Meteor.  I just don't see the Yak-3 being enough different from the Yak-9U.  I've looked at their numbers and I have trouble seeing all that much of a difference.
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2011, 02:22:26 AM »
Btw Shida, plz dont make me sad. We all know democracy is broken. Nothing else left: fight.

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2011, 04:59:48 AM »
The human race is in its infancy Debrody. Don't let it get you down.

well be living on planet mars soon.... chin up...
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2011, 05:56:21 AM »
The human race is in its infancy Debrody. Don't let it get you down.

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #110 on: October 26, 2011, 06:59:31 AM »
If next round is between the Me410 and either the Meteor or Yak-3 I will vote for the Me410.  If it is between the Meteor and Yak-3 I will vote for the Meteor.  I just don't see the Yak-3 being enough different from the Yak-9U.  I've looked at their numbers and I have trouble seeing all that much of a difference.

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #111 on: October 26, 2011, 07:15:56 AM »
Don't listen to Shida he likes Ruhbarb  :old:

That's a viscous lie and you can't prove it. Go on say it again I dare you
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #112 on: October 26, 2011, 07:48:52 AM »
Inclusion of the meteor is a terrible mistake . It does not fit the past philosophy of the game . It's inclusion opens the argument that any design conceived during WWII is an eligible platform to be added to the game . It muddies the requirement for a plane (or GV ) to have been involved in active combat . To be fair I personally don't like or think any of the jets belong in the game but that is an extremely moot point . Since the good folks at HTC (who's efforts I approve of very much) have considered adding the Meteor of all aircraft , I believe , if it makes it , they will have to include V1 flying bombs for it to have something to do .
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2011, 08:15:48 AM »
That's a viscous lie and you can't prove it. Go on say it again I dare you (Image removed from quote.)

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #114 on: October 28, 2011, 10:31:11 AM »
Quite so... I'm not sure what's going on with him right now.
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Moot, I am not following here. You seem to be posting on both sides of the Me410 issue.
Could is the key word.

Yak-3 would be Later War only.  Me410 would be Mid War.  Meteor, of course, would be Late War.
Some of the important 410 configs could be LW only.  MK103 or something..  Don't recall exactly but some of them are way past the (admittedly really blurry - it's IIRC anywhere from mid/late 43 to some time in 44) standard set by current plane set.


Perhaps Moot's opinion changes as his understanding deepens and his thoughts resolve. You can hardly really berate someone for doing that. Especially when you contrast it to the methods of some clowns.  :old:


I've done it before and never shied away from admitting as much afterwards.  I actually really like when it happens.  What more could you ask for - to be EVEN MORE RIGHT :D

The white rabbit here's nothing secret.  Only the single seater Me 410 would be competitive in dogfights.  It saw squadron wide use, "more than the 152 did".  Something like at least 20-30 of em were made after months of insistence by no less than Galland (Galland?  or another of the few huge names who had his spot as top Luftwaffe dog -- it went all the way IIRC to bouncing the idea off Hitler for his approval, to speed things up) and other top Luftwaffe and Reich brass.  Specifically for that model to go into production.  Galland (assuming I'm recalling right that it's him) was pushing for a personal production/action plan of either 50% or 100% of day 410 Zerstorer production being single seaters. 

Of course how it actually happened is that the 410 got cancelled right around the time the Reich melted down by Allied efforts.  The end of the 410 story as you know it reading those RLM (or whatever the Luftwaffe-Reichwaffles chief exec meetings were called) accelerates in an acute exponential starting with gradual acceptance that 410 is worthless for night fighter duty, to everything being bet on those particular variant production focuses over months of tense meetings, to austerity measures (build normally metal stuff with wood etc - you know something's up when that's all there is in Luftwaffe meeting minutes), to everything being cancelled to focus all industrial effort on a handful of main types - Fw 190, Do 335 (iirc), etc.  .
It's as if reality hit em in the face all of a sudden.

But back on topic, that's the deal here.  A night and day difference between two and single seater variants.  The single seater meets all "standard" AH criteria.  Saw action at squadron level.  Has a few pilot recollections, and a few pictures to show for it.  When you look at the numbers it's pretty clear that the 2S 410 would be a mildly different 110G.  The SS'er 410 would be right in the P-38 and Mossie performance ballpark.   So... The tally is that it satisfies "official" criteria and that it'd be so much more fun for all who tried/flew it.  And no it wouldn't be any uber machine either.  The SS'er only flew with quad 20mm, no MK103s or BK5.  I'm not sure if they used WGr's, but given that it was meant to be as cleaned up as possible, I'd reckon it wouldn't have em.

If next round is between the Me410 and either the Meteor or Yak-3 I will vote for the Me410.  If it is between the Meteor and Yak-3 I will vote for the Meteor.  I just don't see the Yak-3 being enough different from the Yak-9U.  I've looked at their numbers and I have trouble seeing all that much of a difference.
Did the numbers include roll rate?  Just off the wall idea.  Could make a big difference if the weight loss affected it a lot.  Cf. Mk XVI.
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #115 on: October 28, 2011, 10:56:03 AM »
If you want a fighter competitive with other fighters, we have those in-game. 20 airframes, out of 1000, had this modification. That's more rare than the 3-gun LA-7. Edit: It's still "possible" HTC might do something along these lines, but .... I can't see it as very probably /edit

I get that you like the idea, but if that's the reason you only were interested in the Me410, you're missing out on most of the fun. To each their own, though.

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #116 on: October 28, 2011, 10:59:07 AM »
I'm not after a 410 that's not a 410, I'm after a 410 that's eligible and better than yet another 110 except it has some "precious" tail gun gizmos.  The single seat 410 wouldn't be any better against single engine fighters than the Mossie and 38 are. 

If the 410 didn't have the single seat variant I would've voted Beaufighter.

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I get that you like the idea, but if that's the reason you only were interested in the Me410, you're missing out on most of the fun
It's like you're only capable of getting it wrong.  How can you pretend to read others minds like this when you invariably read em wrong?
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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #117 on: October 28, 2011, 11:01:43 AM »
[Edited: It's not worth the aggravation]

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #118 on: October 28, 2011, 11:03:54 AM »
And again I tell ya.  WTF are you smoking to be taken over by these delusions that someone talking to you completely calmly and frankly MUST be angry or offended?

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Re: Round 3 voting
« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2011, 11:09:23 AM »
HEY leave the 38 out of this. :P
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