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Offline Karnak

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Re: Mossie
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2011, 08:50:47 AM »
Remember, the British 60 lb rockets do 187 lbs of damage, so when you are going to up a Mossi and dump all your ord in one spot (hanger, shore battery, etc), those 8/60lb rockets do almost 1500 lbs of damage vs the pair of 500 lb bombs doing a hair more than 1000 lbs.  Food for thought.   ;)    
The problem I have with the rockets is that the rails cost you 12mph off your top speed even after the rockets have been launched.  The shackles for the 500lb bombs under each wing cost 4mph.  The ones in the bomb bay cost nothing in speed, which is nice.

I trust you are watching the Avspecs Ltd. folks restoration of Jerry Yagen's Mossie close?

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Offline Raptor05121

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Re: Mossie
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2011, 09:21:10 PM »
Here's a couple more that'll make a nice difference in the way the Mossie handles:
First is to burn the LO and RO tanks first (Shift F to cycle to the various tanks).
This'll increase the roll rate a bit.
  Also, with over 3000 rounds of .303 to augment the 700 rounds of 20mm Hispano,
you're pretty nose heavy. Dump all or most of the .303s and you can save about
300 pounds in the snout.

  Good hunting, Oddball


Thanks for the tip!

As for the guns, would it be best to take the heavy gun package and dump the 303s so you can have max cannon or no?
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Re: Mossie
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2011, 09:29:39 PM »
Its a 18,000lb fighter, I really don't think the ammo weight makes that much difference.  I always take the overload ammo and I very rarely burn off the .303 ammo.
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Offline Melvin

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Re: Mossie
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2011, 10:06:01 PM »
Its a 18,000lb fighter, I really don't think the ammo weight makes that much difference.  I always take the overload ammo and I very rarely burn off the .303 ammo.

This.

Also, when entering a combat zone I like to raise my seat all the way up. This gives me an excellent view over the nose and helps to build up initial SA.

Once I figure out what I'm going to do, I drop back behind the gun sight and get busy.
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Re: Mossie
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2011, 12:54:13 PM »
With all due respect to those who empty the .30 cals ammo from the nose guns of a Mossi or the rear guns of a 110 or A20 (.50 cals on a20), if you kool-aid drinkers ***REALLY*** think that helps you survive then keep on doing it.   :rofl   The fact of the matter is that if you guys think that wee less extra bit of weight is what keeps you alive you should not have been in that situation to begin with.    Plus, I cant remember the number of times I'd get an enemy fighter right up on my six and I give them a face full of rear gun from the 110 or A20.  Also, FWIW, the front .30 cals on the Mossi have mopped up a few buildings for a white flag or finished off a few aircraft after the quad 20mm's are gone, so dont ever discount them.  ;)

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Re: Mossie
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2011, 01:22:28 PM »
I've shot several fighters down with just the .303s, including a Bf110G-2 that I took the wing off of.
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Re: Mossie
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2011, 01:45:05 PM »
200lbs of ammo weight makes a difference. Yes, it is small, but it is a difference. Or would you say strapping 2x100lbs bombs to the plane also makes no difference?
I'm not arguing that it makes a big difference, but it does make a slight difference and occasionaly that can be the difference between living or dying.
Sometimes I dump half my 303s, but this is mostly so that they run out at the same time as the 20s and I am not tempted to stick around and get killed.
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Re: Mossie
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 08:25:29 AM »
Please send up more mossies

They are a good fight for the 110g.

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Re: Mossie
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 08:41:43 AM »
200lbs of ammo weight makes a difference. Yes, it is small, but it is a difference. Or would you say strapping 2x100lbs bombs to the plane also makes no difference?
I'm not arguing that it makes a big difference, but it does make a slight difference and occasionaly that can be the difference between living or dying.
Sometimes I dump half my 303s, but this is mostly so that they run out at the same time as the 20s and I am not tempted to stick around and get killed.

Like I was saying, if that wee bit less weight is what you need to survive, then you should not have been in that predicament to begin with.   :aok  Granted, I agree that the Mossi has far too much .30 cal ammo and that it ultimately does not need them, but the RAF put them there for a reason (not necessarily a sane reason, but none the less...). 

Also, strapping 2X100 lbs bombs on the plane is not to be discounted either.  I've taken out a lot of auto ack, turreted a lot of FLAK's, and even a tank or 2 over the years with them.  As far as their weight goes, it isnt something you're going to keep in the wing during a legit dogfight, but otherwise I'm not going to notice they are there.  The F4F doesn't move all that well to begin with.  The A5m2 cant even tell they are there.  ;)   
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Re: Mossie
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 10:24:18 AM »
I've shot several fighters down with just the .303s, including a Bf110G-2 that I took the wing off of.

Most that believe dumping the .303s makes a huge difference, problem is you actually have to need ACM to make the difference count.

I really wish (and it was requested many years ago) for an ammo slider so you can decide if you want 100% of ammo or 0% - I would certainly
load 100% in 20s and maybe 50% in the 303s.

And I agree, last sortie I flew in a mossy I ended up with 4 kills all were 303s when I strafed down all my 20s on a town.
It does take precision aim and most don't have that level of skill, hence why most want that 1 shot 30mm power. What most people simply do is realize "it won't down a plane" well the key is not to bring the entire plane down in 1 pass, but if you use 303s to blow a rudder or flap off, it makes it that much harder to avoid a mossy, and this is what I generally try to do on a snapshot.

If I could have one prototype in game, I'd love to see the 4x 303s replaced with 4x browning 50s in a mossy. (This prototype was just an idea and never actually created however).
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