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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 02:19:36 PM »
Quote from: Plazus on October 31, 2011, 09:54:43 AM
ink,

Tone down some of the oil stains, grease and grime a little bit. Your bare metal finish looks too "white" to me. Could just be my computer though. I recommend putting in more silver/gray colors to give a more metal look. The current bare metal finish gives me the impression that they took this P40 and scraped a large bar of soap over the whole plane. Panel lines and rivet detail looks good. I would also reduce the weathering over the spinner, some. Spinners don't normally show heavy weathering unless there is a lot of paint chipping off of it. Check the position of the roundels on the top sides of the wings. They appear to be too far forward to the leading edge of the wings. Is the paint on the engine supposed to be matte black or olive drab? Looks black to me. May want to verify which paint it is.

If you can maintain the same balance of panel line and rivet opacity, and make your BMF look more metal/silver/gray, then you have it right.

Best of luck.

pretty sure the glare panel should be black.....

Quote from: oboe on October 31, 2011, 07:25:03 AM
Love the bare metal treatment.   :aok
 
Not so sure about the grease/oil stain eminating from the prop hub - I don't think a greae trail would stay so concentrated and dark, or have such a wandering trail under the influence of the propwash.    I think it would thin out/spread out more quickly than that...



I have seen photos of the grease trail coming from the prop hub on P 40's...maybe spreading it out at the tail end....will work it..


Quote from: FTJR on October 31, 2011, 09:34:19 AM
I love the top side bare metal, but should there be blue on the underside?  I would have thought it would be either green or brown to represent the world below that it was reflecting. Really nice though  :aok

ya will work that a bit.


Thanx all for your comments :salute
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2011, 02:52:48 PM »
The oil stain from the front of cowling should be more dispersed.  The oil stain from the access panels on left side of cowl should "blow back" toward the tail, not drain down.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2011, 03:18:42 PM »
Ink, the overall effect doesn't look like bare metal at all.  I agree with Krusty, it looks like a fine mist of blue over a white base.  Also agree with the oil streak on the cowling.  Needs to be blown back parallel to the deck, because, at rest, it would run straight down.  The only thing that would make it streak back would be prop wash, so that needs to go laterally.  The weathering on the belly looks great, as usual, and I'll always make the same comment about the gun soot aft of the barrels.  I think most of the good BMF effects start with a silver/gray color, and then use the specularity in the materials file to get the proper amount of "sheen".  Greebo has the best BMF IMO, so perhaps you can message him for some recommendations...
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2011, 03:22:40 PM »
Quote from: colmbo on October 31, 2011, 02:52:48 PM
The oil stain from the front of cowling should be more dispersed.  The oil stain from the access panels on left side of cowl should "blow back" toward the tail, not drain down.

I thought I had a pic of the oil draining/staining down....I know I saw one but cant find it..... :headscratch:


Quote from: Stoney on October 31, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
Ink, the overall effect doesn't look like bare metal at all.  I agree with Krusty, it looks like a fine mist of blue over a white base.  Also agree with the oil streak on the cowling.  Needs to be blown back parallel to the deck, because, at rest, it would run straight down.  The only thing that would make it streak back would be prop wash, so that needs to go laterally.  The weathering on the belly looks great, as usual, and I'll always make the same comment about the gun soot aft of the barrels.  I think most of the good BMF effects start with a silver/gray color, and then use the specularity in the materials file to get the proper amount of "sheen".  Greebo has the best BMF IMO, so perhaps you can message him for some recommendations...

ya gonna rework it some

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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2011, 03:30:19 PM »
Greebo is okay. I like some of his work. It's better than some of the more "bland" bare metal skins. I don't want to start a popularity contest or anything, but I think Fester's rare BMF examples are well done. MotleyCH did a very interesting B-17G skin (457BG/749BS) that's worth looking at for the baked-on reflection effect., as well as subtle use of rivets to interact with this baked-on effect.

Also, of the spitfires, Kev367th has done a BMF recon skin for every spitfire mark. As his work was some of the early stuff I referenced when trying my first BMF skin, I'd suggest looking at some of his shadows/highlights work just for some inspiration.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 02:16:27 AM »
Quote from: Krusty on October 31, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
Greebo is okay. I like some of his work. It's better than some of the more "bland" bare metal skins. I don't want to start a popularity contest or anything, but I think Fester's rare BMF examples are well done. MotleyCH did a very interesting B-17G skin (457BG/749BS) that's worth looking at for the baked-on reflection effect., as well as subtle use of rivets to interact with this baked-on effect.

Also, of the spitfires, Kev367th has done a BMF recon skin for every spitfire mark. As his work was some of the early stuff I referenced when trying my first BMF skin, I'd suggest looking at some of his shadows/highlights work just for some inspiration.

Agree on this.  Greebo's P-51s with BMF are excellent.  Most of his stuff is painted, so I usually don't count him in the BMF crowd.  Kev used to do some excellent work as well.  Those three have contributed the highest quality BMF skins in game, IMO.  Kev has some really good BMF Spits.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 01:36:05 PM »
Quote from: Stoney on November 01, 2011, 02:16:27 AM
Agree on this.  Greebo's P-51s with BMF are excellent.  Most of his stuff is painted, so I usually don't count him in the BMF crowd.  Kev used to do some excellent work as well.  Those three have contributed the highest quality BMF skins in game, IMO.  Kev has some really good BMF Spits.

Thx Krusty.  I meant to say Fester's P-51s...
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2011, 02:15:53 PM »
Slight problem with the skin. Only just found this looking for an example/reference to help out...



A29-480 is not an N. It is Allison powered. Might better fit on the -F airframe in-game?

Not sure, just found that.


EDIT: Actually, if you don't mind putting a white tail on it, you can change it to this:



But, pretty much every -N I see has the white tail. By the time they arrived I guess it was the standard.


EDIT2: P.S. Note the downward slope of the anti-glare... Might double check yours to see if it's the same.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2011, 02:54:20 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on November 01, 2011, 02:15:53 PM
Slight problem with the skin. Only just found this looking for an example/reference to help out...

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A29-480 is not an N. It is Allison powered. Might better fit on the -F airframe in-game?

Not sure, just found that.

It looks like a M model to me. I would assume the M would be Ok to put on the N, but I haven't heard any official word on substitutions. Might be worth finding out.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2011, 03:16:51 PM »
Overall the performance isn't too different, but the loadouts were. The looks (the cut down rear deck) definitely stand out. If we had the old E with WEP it would be closest to that, but since the E lost its WEP there's no perfect solution. I think the -F is better because it predates the -N, and the -N is the one of the lot that rather stands apart in terms of stripped-down performance and bombed-up loadouts.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2011, 04:12:00 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on November 01, 2011, 02:15:53 PM
Slight problem with the skin. Only just found this looking for an example/reference to help out...

(Image removed from quote.)

A29-480 is not an N. It is Allison powered. Might better fit on the -F airframe in-game?

Not sure, just found that.


EDIT: Actually, if you don't mind putting a white tail on it, you can change it to this:

(Image removed from quote.)

But, pretty much every -N I see has the white tail. By the time they arrived I guess it was the standard.


EDIT2: P.S. Note the downward slope of the anti-glare... Might double check yours to see if it's the same.
Per this site it is a N model.

http://www.adf-serials.com/2a29-N1.shtml
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2011, 04:46:47 PM »
Look at the picture. That's not a cut-down rear deck. That's a full rear deck. It also doesn't have the white tail that all -Ns seem to have in that region. It doesn't share the canopy frame for the -N either, even assuming it was some quirk that didn't have the cut-down rear decking. It looks to me like an earlier model!

Definitely odd.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2011, 04:51:11 PM »
I was not sure at first what model it was....but I went crazy searching.... everything I could find says its an N


I don't understand why the back of the cockpit looks different :headscratch:

the panel up front with the cooling holes were on the N not the E....

anyways I have basically been working on it since I posted up those pics...for now I will keep it on the N model....and search more to find the truth.....will post up some new screen shots soon.
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2011, 05:08:29 PM »
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Re: BM P40 N
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2011, 06:47:50 PM »
alright some ingame shots....

















and of course an action shot :D



 
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