New P-40's

[Tank-Ace]

Haven't been able to fly them against actual opponents. How do they stack up against some of the more common LW rides, what about the MW ones?

They very popular?

[SmokinLoon]

None of the aircraft handle like the older models, imo.  First, HTC correctly modeled the E more closely (no WEP), and the C (old B) now has a DT and 500lbs bomb available.  The C too is a bit more lively on the controls.  The F seems to be the race horse.  Even though it is the heaviest of the P40's, the Merlin engine really pulls it along nicely.  The F also seems to be the most lively at mid to higher alts.  The N has better WEP performance down low, but it doesnt last long.

Vs LW aircraft, if the pilot can keep his wits about him and maintain its E and not get into a blatant turn fight or out n out run-n-gun fight it will be fine.  I like both the F and the N for high speed attacks, but the urge to immediately re-engage the target has to be tamed since the P40 needs all the alt and speed it can get.  Oddly enough, without looking it up, I think most of my victims have have been targets that I've been able to out turn at high speeds (zekes, etc) or aircraft that I've been able to match in a dive because I was able to hold my me long enough to get the guns in them.

IN short, they are good but not for the inexperienced or real eager players.  Patience, intuition, and proper ACM will carry the day for a crutch plane it is not.   

[Krusty]

First, HTC correctly modeled the E more closely (no WEP)

I think the correct thing to say might be HTC modeled the early US -E. The WEP was perfectly allowable, considering a later 1943 version where those extra power settings were allowed for short term periods of time. This rather limits our -E to a very narrow time window, BUT, I think this is okay because we have the F for later scenarios/setups. It does limit the -E's viability in the LWA, though.

[DMVIAGRA]

I'll start working on shark teeth skins....

[Oldman731]

None of the aircraft handle like the older models, imo. 

Agreed.  Have only played around with the F and N so far.  Unlike SmokinLoon, I am having no success with either model, even varying the gun and ammo loadouts.  I sense that, at least within the AvA crowd, my experience is not unique.  My preliminary conclusion is that the new P-40s fly very much like they were supposed to have flown in real life, and hence they will be similarly uncompetitive here.

- oldman

[Krusty]

Some minor changes were also felt that ended up reducing the overall "monster"-ness of the La-7 and the N1K2 when they were remodeled, as well. I think it's just that they are able to better represent the aerodynamics/physics/whatever now that they're updating the older rides.

[Soulyss]

The first attempt by the 80th to fly formation with the new P-40's ended in a predictable manner, when asked for comment former-CO CorkyJr was quoted as saying "at least we got a nice tight grouping this time".  



 

[Krusty]

No obvious jokes? Okay then....

That's the infamous RAAF "Ostrich" squadron... They were quickly disbanded but the RAAF never could pull those P-40s out of the ground afterwards!

 

[tassos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR2pPFnkDU&feature=related

[Ack-Ack]

flaps been fixed yet or do they still deploy at 195mph?

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[Soulyss]

flaps been fixed yet or do they still deploy at 195mph?

ack-ack

Haven't tested but from the notes on 2.26 patch 2

Revised the flap speeds on the P-40s.

[Ack-Ack]

Haven't tested but from the notes on 2.26 patch 2

Patch 2 was I believe the patch that incorrectly raised the flap speed to 195mph.

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[Krusty]

I haven't played with it, but I thought from reading the forums the flaps were too SLOW, and the patch brought them back up to the other P-40 speeds ?

 

[STEELE]

190 and 109 pilots routinely used flaps in combat at speeds in excess of 300mph.  German manuals only give speeds for flap use at LANDING only, not the speeds at which they can be safely during flight. Jugs, OTOH can use them
at speeds way above 300, even though it says right in the d-11 cockpit (in game!) Do not lower flaps above 195mph!

I haven't played with it, but I thought from reading the forums the flaps were too SLOW, and the patch brought them back up to the other P-40 speeds ?

 

Correct, they now lower a notch at 195 or so...

[Karnak]

190 and 109 pilots routinely used flaps in combat at speeds in excess of 300mph.  German manuals only give speeds for flap use at LANDING only, not the speeds at which they can be safely during flight. Jugs, OTOH can use them
at speeds way above 300, even though it says right in the d-11 cockpit (in game!) Do not lower flaps above 195mph!

I am likewise skeptical that the Ki-84's combat maneuvering flaps could not be used above 168mph, but I have not been able to find anything to support that.  It is pretty much unimaginable that a plane built for speed would have a combat setting that could only be used that slow.


The planned frill airbrake on fighter Mosquitoes was canceled when it was found that the same effect could be had by lowering the landing gear of the Mosquito.  Try that in AH and you'll lose the landing gear.