Author Topic: The Feel of the Arena (Read 1937 times)

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #30 on:** July 25, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »

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Can HTC run an experiment? Open up two arenas. One MA, another HA. Come back two weeks later, check the log and see if the HA gets enough usage to justify keeping it open.

They could.. in fact they have with a different company. They have more experience with this than people tend to give them credit for.

As a rule, people congregate to the most occupied arena. Even those that prefer many HA aspects will fly in the MA because there are more targets. Basically, the crowd migrates towards the numbers.

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I've only been playing a month and its easy to see the p51/spit problem that is growing.

Um.. this is an incredible mis-statement. You are refering to a growing problem in regards to two planes that have been around since beta 1.

Trust me... the problem is not worse than it has been in the past. The problem is still mainly in perception. The problem only arguably exists.

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There's no need for HTC to add planes if no one will fly them because they can't compete with the p51d/spit dominance.

The P-51 can out-run most planes. It doesn't dominate any.

The spit can out-turn most planes. Most of those it can out-turn can out-run it. Basically, it only dominates certain planes flow certain ways.

Maybe the word you were looking for was "prevelance"? Of course, there are more N1K2's in the arena than these two... and the La-7 pretty much leaves both the 51 and Spit in the dust.

...but people have learned to hate the P-51 and Spit long ago. But we aren't supposed to take about LW conspiracies any more... people might leave.

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For that reason I agrees with laz1 ,we need a HA arena.

LOL! I strongly suggest you edit that to represent what lazs actually said.. before he sees it

He doesn't want an HA.. he wants a rotating planeset. There is a big difference. The closest thing to an HA that lazs promotes is seperate areas in the MA for early and late war planes.

AKDejaVu

Pongo · « **Reply #31 on:** July 25, 2001, 02:44:00 PM »

SunKing
Is that an LA7 in your sig?
And you dont like seeing lots of P51s and Spits?
If they are as common as you say then they are just fodder for you. The best way to lower the numbers of them in the arena is to demonstrate to the pilots in them that they are pretty much helpless against you.
I however have to agree with the gentlemen above. The MA is probably as ballenced as we will get it.

SunKing · « **Reply #32 on:** July 25, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »

Pongo actually that is Yak in my sig (or so the caption on the pic stated). I really like the Russian plane set.

Im happy to see alot of people in the arena, more the merry. I'm just bummed when i see a huge formation of dots inbound and they turn out to be 5+ p51s and spits, seems to be that case most of the time. Like you said they are fodder and my skills will only increase if I continue to fly against the late war planes. I'm just hoping for variety like the rest of you.

[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: SunKing ]

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #33 on:** July 25, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »

That looks like the La-5FN to me. It looks completely grey and appears to have a bulge below and behind the cowling (La7's is bigger and further back)..

Could be wrong though.
-SW

[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

Rude · « **Reply #34 on:** July 25, 2001, 04:43:00 PM »

For the record....

I wish we had a rolling plane set.

I make no apologies for flying a certain aircraft the way it was designed to be flown.

If we got a RPS, my squad is perfectly capable, as many other sqds in this sim are, of flying any plane well enough to enjoy a credible degree of success.

It's not a perfect world Laz. It is getting closer now that I know how you hate to get popped by a pony

Goodness

jihad · « **Reply #35 on:** July 25, 2001, 06:46:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo:
SunKing
Is that an LA7 in your sig?
And you dont like seeing lots of P51s and Spits?
If they are as common as you say then they are just fodder for you. The best way to lower the numbers of them in the arena is to demonstrate to the pilots in them that they are pretty much helpless against you.
I however have to agree with the gentlemen above. The MA is probably as ballenced as we will get it.

It might be:

Yak-3U

Rebuilt aircraft with the ASh-82FN radial engine and twin B-20 cannon.
Despite the fact the engine was heavier than the previous engines, this version
actually wieghted less than the standard Yak-3. During a series of test flights
started on 12 May 1945, the aircraft achieve a maximum speed of 441 mph (710
km/h) at 20,015 ft (6100 m).

Bet this thing would kick bellybutton in the arena.

[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: jihad ]

Hangtime · « **Reply #36 on:** July 25, 2001, 08:03:00 PM »

LOL... do I detect some heat??

For the record, I do NOT support a RPS in the MA. An RPS promotes confinement to a particular planeset, exclusive of country; removing choices... exclusionary thinking. Not inclusionary.

What the hell's the point?? The bish would have all 1942 planes; LW, LVVS, British, USAAF, IJN, fighting opponents with the same range of A/C.. nothin changes; just fewer planes to pick from, fewer options, reduced everything, all so a few guys can be assured that the worst they'll have to deal with from the opponent is a plane most would not fly under other circumstances.

Leave the MA alone, don't RPS it.

The place for an RPS is in a HA, with plane types restricted to 'country'.... a place the 'LW' would like immensely I'm sure... at least untill 1944.

On the other hand, I think we should rotate Laz into buffs fer a tour tho.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #37 on:** July 25, 2001, 08:13:00 PM »

The plane doesn't look like that though Jihad. For one, the one in the touched up picture has an antenna mast directly behind the canopy. The plane appears to have a sun "glare" on it like the way AH models it. It looks like the AH La5FN in a touched up photo with lens flare and lightening up the whole photo.
-SW

jr · « **Reply #38 on:** July 25, 2001, 09:49:00 PM »

What about RPS within a war. After war is won and reset. start with basic plane set then expand slowly with time.
War tactics would have to adjust as plane set evolved. Factory and City damage would slow down plane developement. This would put a great significance on defending and attacking the heart of other countries.

Tac · « **Reply #39 on:** July 25, 2001, 10:39:00 PM »

been saying this all along.

30 day tour

first 10 days early war planes free, mid war planes as semi-expensive perks (10 perks), late war as expensive perks (40 perks).

day 10->20 : Mid war planes unperked, early war planes get 2X perk gain modifier, late war planes become semi-expensive perks (10 perks)

day 20->30 Late war planes unperked, early war planes X4 perkie gain , mid war planes X2 perkie gain.

we would need a few more planes for an early war planeset first though

Hangtime · « **Reply #40 on:** July 25, 2001, 11:26:00 PM »

[RPS rant]

Not with all country's havin the same planes avail.. whats the point? It's still gonna be the same MA.. same spit v spit and 109 v 109 dweebery, same everything.. and fewer planes to choose from.

[soapbox]

Look.. we ain't got half enuff fighters, buffs, squids, boats or cockroaches to make a MA anything other than fun depravation with an RPS in place.

RPS and a HA.. that works. And right now. No waiting.. hop into 1943, saddle up a Jug and go huntin FW's on the other side of the channel.

[/RPS rant][/soapbox}

popeye · « **Reply #41 on:** July 26, 2001, 07:25:00 AM »

Hang,

Yer saying that the RPS wouldn't be popular in the MA because it is "exclusionary" and limits choices....then you suggest that an RPS in an HA with much more limited choices WOULD be popular??

Guess I'm not following your thinking here....

lazs1 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 26, 2001, 08:21:00 AM »

lol... those who ring the choice bell allways want to fly their plane all the time even if it means limiting everyone elses choices to the bone in things like axis vs allied and HA, icons late war only etc.. just having late war planes in an MA with no RPS limits VIABLE choice. fool yourself but leave us out of it.

deja is correct... people go where the numbers are. I think that just making an early war addition to a RPS that would be say.... 2-3 days at the beggining of the tour would not be TOO much of a burden on ouy runstang f;lying friends eh?

rude... you would have to come down to get me and.. make sure that the rest of the ballet troupe was on the right page... seems a lot of work for poor ol harmless lazs. I think P51's are merely annoying... not dominant or not even to be feared. They really don't fit with some of the early war planes we have in the arena right now and if a person has patience and buddies he/they can be untouchable.... bored witless... but untouchable. not to say it isn't a skill like any other just.... kind of a sleazy, "timid" one in the current MA.
lazs

AN · « **Reply #43 on:** July 26, 2001, 08:36:00 AM »

Hangtime:
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For the record, I do NOT support a RPS in the MA. An RPS promotes confinement to a particular planeset, exclusive of country; removing choices... exclusionary thinking. Not inclusionary.
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And just how is the current MA setup 'including' those of us who would rather fly in and against early/mid war planes?

anRky

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #44 on:** July 26, 2001, 08:46:00 AM »

Why don't we revisit the topic of an RPS or modified RPS or whatever... when we actually get more early war planes than just the 109F4/C.202/SpitV?

Really... right now you are just blowing smoke up each other's tulips for no reason. All we have is pretty much late war jobs, don't need an RPS.. YET.
-SW