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Offline Mace2004

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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2012, 06:29:26 PM »
I have a TIR4 that I bought a year ago but only used it for a week. I was having problems trying to look behind me.

I found that if I reset all the custom views for a plane using the "home" then "F10" keys for each view, then the trackIR panning was nice and smooth, but it was really hard to look around the headrest to see behind me. I would turn my head to see the 6 view, then when I tried to lean to see around the headrest the thing would stop tracking and get stuck.

If I set custom views so that the back-left and back-right views already looked around the headrest then I found that trackIR seemed to "snap" to those views instead of smoothly panning with head movement, which I found really annoying.

I could never get the right setup so I gave up after a while, and went back to the old left hand on the numeric keypad for views.

Do you guys clear all the custom saved views for each plane when using trackIR?
Custom views have absolutely nothing to do with TIR and smoothness UNLESS you're using your hat switch.  I recommend that you disable your hat switch views to force yourself to rely only on TIR. 

If your TIR seems to "snap" to particular views it probably isn't due to extra light sources.  If that were true you'd have problems no matter where you look.  The problem you're having is that  you probably have way too much deadband set in your profile.  This deadband tends to draw your view to the major axis, this is doublely true looking forward and aft since this is where the pitch and yaw axis intersect.  To minimize the deadbands make your curves flatter in the center and with the center point well above zero (on the rotation speed axis).  My pitch and yaw curves have a very, very shallow V that are actually almost flat with the center position set to 9 for yaw and 11 for pitch.  X, Y, and Z curves are also almost flat with the center point set at five.  Also, my speed is set to 1 and smooth set to 30.This is all personal preference but I personally hate the deadbands so I've eliminted it in all of the axis of my profile except roll.

The reason your views are getting stuck when you check six is probably because you're exceeding the limits of the TIR tracker (i.e., you're outside the camera's field of view (FOV)).  It helps if you setup your system with greater physical distance between the camera and your head (the farther away you are the wider the FOV).  Either sit farther back or move your TIR camera farther away.  Hard to say what will work best for you since I don't know what your setup is.  Lean forward a bit when you center TIR.  That way, when you relax back to your normal sitting position your in game head is toward the back of the cockpit.  When you turn to check six your head pivots around so that it's now toward the front of the cockpit which makes it much, much easier to see around the headrest.  This minimizes the movement you need to do when checking six and minimizes the chances you'll go outside of the camera's FOV.

I seriously doubt the problems you describe are caused by light sources behind you but to check select your camera view.  This will let you check for light sources that can interfer with tracking and also let you move your head in the same way as you would in the game and see if you're going outside of the camera's FOV.
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2012, 06:55:15 PM »
won't fly without it
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #77 on: January 26, 2012, 06:59:11 PM »
won't fly without it

While TilDeath builds my new rocketship (an Elton John/TilDeath collaboration) - I made sure to get my new stick and Track IR a day ahead of schedule.

/Would not fly without it, although over a month without using it I will be spending more time in the Training arena not trying to throw up.

//Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2012, 07:06:26 PM »
clarify the meaning of "few"  :D

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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #80 on: January 26, 2012, 08:20:15 PM »
Personally I do have an issue with a window. When I have too much light the unit drops out. I have a black out curtain that  put up on sunny days.

I've been collecting profiles. I have 7 of them from different players here in the game. I like them to test and see what you can do with the settings. I mix and match a bit to get something I like. If any one else would like to try them they are here. http://speedy.sh/za7GZ/7-trackIR-profiles.zip

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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #81 on: January 26, 2012, 10:25:22 PM »
Thanks, Fugitive! I'll be using one or more of those profiles next week.  :aok
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #82 on: January 27, 2012, 01:27:31 AM »
Fugi, did you finally get mine?

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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #83 on: January 27, 2012, 01:44:02 AM »
I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up).  I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great.  I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.

Would I see more stuff with trackIR?  If not I don't know why I'd change.
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2012, 01:54:48 AM »
Love it, Use it, Lost without it....

However using TIR3 that has been through MANY moves the front screen has some minor scratches on it now.  Can be a pain in the bellybutton at times but this is SOLELY due to the scratch on the bottom of the unit.

As was mentioned by someone previously ambient light CAN and IS an issue depending on the environment you are working with.

I ended up placing a blackout curtain tacked up to the window that faces the camera for daytime use.....worked out great for me!

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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2012, 01:56:24 AM »
I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up).  I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great.  I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.

Would I see more stuff with trackIR?  If not I don't know why I'd change.

Number pads and Hat switches do not compare to track IR, period.... I used to use the number pad for views, it doesn't come close.
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #86 on: January 27, 2012, 05:37:00 AM »
//Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR

Nonsense. I use TIR and I do some of my best flying after the 3rd or 4th whiskey drink.  :)

But then again, as a toon pilot, I'm probably more like this guy.....



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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2012, 06:43:52 AM »
I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up).  I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great.  I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.

Would I see more stuff with trackIR?  If not I don't know why I'd change.


Think of the way you look around when your drive your car......

Thats what its like flying with track ir.. You simply look around.

Once you learn how fast and how far to turn your head, its as natural as can be..

You can scan for contacts much more and as a result you will see more..
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #88 on: January 27, 2012, 07:53:57 AM »
Fugi, did you finally get mine?

Yes I did, and I think it is one of those in the pack. Thanks

Bald, I've only had mine for about 6 or 8 months. In all the years I've been playing these games I've used the hat switch for my views. The trackIR is better. With the switched views it seems slow compared to trackIR. Also as pointed out, even when in a black out dot the size of a quarter it is easy to keep a target In view.
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Re: Do you use Track IR?
« Reply #89 on: January 27, 2012, 04:28:28 PM »
Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR

I can drink all night long and still be just fine with Track IR.

One Sunday morning I was bored and tried to fly with a little bit of a headache from the night before.  Now don't ever try to use it while hung over.. THAT will mess you up!