Prop...

[Dago]

A familiar sight, and I know a recip shakes like wild when you are cranking to restart inflight.   

[MachFly]

A familiar sight, and I know a recip shakes like wild when you are cranking to restart inflight.   

It's a lot easier on the 42, all I got to do is turn the master switch on and engage the starter, computer does the rest. Engines start faster than on the car.

[2ADoc]

The age old question,"What are propellers for?"
The age old answer," to keep the pilot cool, stop one and watch him sweat."

[colmbo]

It's a lot easier on the 42, all I got to do is turn the master switch on and engage the starter, computer does the rest. Engines start faster than on the car.

Where is the fun in that?

Starting the B-24:  Left seater cracks the throttle.  Right seater engages starter with one finger, when the 6th blade goes by right seater (using a second finger) starts the primer.  At the 9th blade right seater (with the right hand) turns the magneto switch to both. On the 12th blade the engine will start (you'll know it started cuz there be a bunch of barking, snorting and farting accompanied by lots of smoke) -- right seater releases starter and primer and watches manifold pressure -- if it starts to rise you "tickle" the primer.  When the engine catches the left seater moves the mixture control to Auto Rich and adjusts throttle as needed.  If the left seater brain farts the mixture the right seater can keep it running by "tickling" the primer while giving his (or her) best "you're a handsomehunk look" to the left seater.

One person can start it...you just have to think it thru.

[MachFly]

Where is the fun in that?

Starting the B-24:  Left seater cracks the throttle.  Right seater engages starter with one finger, when the 6th blade goes by right seater (using a second finger) starts the primer.  At the 9th blade right seater (with the right hand) turns the magneto switch to both. On the 12th blade the engine will start (you'll know it started cuz there be a bunch of barking, snorting and farting accompanied by lots of smoke) -- right seater releases starter and primer and watches manifold pressure -- if it starts to rise you "tickle" the primer.  When the engine catches the left seater moves the mixture control to Auto Rich and adjusts throttle as needed.  If the left seater brain farts the mixture the right seater can keep it running by "tickling" the primer while giving his (or her) best "you're a handsomehunk look" to the left seater.

One person can start it...you just have to think it thru.

That's a bit too much.

As much as I like manual stuff the computers significantly make the aircraft operation easier so you pay more attention to what's going on outside. See when your alone & flying an approach with turns around mountains, at night, with 1nm visibility, and 30kts (ground) winds you really don't want to be bothered with technical aircraft operations.

I'm sure sometime when you flew the B-24 you though "man this is a pain in the @*$".

[Golfer]

What happens Machfly when you find yourself in an airplane that will require you to actually pilot it versus simply steer it around the sky?

Or are you just not going to apply for those jobs?

I can't think if much more personally rewarding as an aviator than some of the flying colmbo has done and would welcome the challenge. The way modern airplanes are designed the level of knowledge a pilot had in their aircraft which was compulsory in older airframes isn't even close in today's. The closest I may realistically get is (partial?) ownership of a T6 which doesn't require the same attention as a 17 or 24.

About 2 years ago after a couple thousand hours in current production transport jets I was reminded of that when I got rechecked in a round engined tailwheel airplane. Perishable skills indeed.

[MachFly]

What happens Machfly when you find yourself in an airplane that will require you to actually pilot it versus simply steer it around the sky?

Or are you just not going to apply for those jobs?

I can't think if much more personally rewarding as an aviator than some of the flying colmbo has done and would welcome the challenge. The way modern airplanes are designed the level of knowledge a pilot had in their aircraft which was compulsory in older airframes isn't even close in today's. The closest I may realistically get is (partial?) ownership of a T6 which doesn't require the same attention as a 17 or 24.

About 2 years ago after a couple thousand hours in current production transport jets I was reminded of that when I got rechecked in a round engined tailwheel airplane. Perishable skills indeed.

It's not like the only airplane I even flown is the 42 and I can't do anything without a computer. I flown whole bunch different planes before the this so I'm sure it wont be a problem.

[Golfer]

Was it 10 or was it "a whole bunch?"

Most of a bunch? Half a bunch? Three quarters of a bunch?

I think you missed what I was getting at. It has nothing to do with what you have or haven't flown but rather the perception of being bothered with flying the airplane so much it would take away from, um, flying the airplane. Then how that would be for you if you found yourself tasked to fly an airplane that required you to, you know, fly it.

You'll find (at least you better) that you won't earn your money as a professional pilot when things are working as designed. You'll earn it when things break, the weather sucks and things break and the weather sucks, things break and you're fighting fatigue.

Nothing really breaks on nice days either.

[colmbo]

I'm sure sometime when you flew the B-24 you though "man this is a pain in the @*$".

Are you serious?  Heck no, I was tickled to be there.

[colmbo]

As much as I like manual stuff the computers significantly make the aircraft operation easier so you pay more attention to what's going on outside. See when your alone & flying an approach with turns around mountains, at night, with 1nm visibility, and 30kts (ground) winds you really don't want to be bothered with technical aircraft operations.

How the heck you think things got done before we had fly themself airplanes?

[colmbo]

 reminded of that when I got rechecked in a round engined tailwheel airplane. Perishable skills indeed.

T-6?  I've only got a couple hours in one but man on man...I remember on landing feeling like it was wanting to dart off this way or that.  Far cry from the Citabria I got the tail-wheel check in. 

[MachFly]

I think you missed what I was getting at. It has nothing to do with what you have or haven't flown but rather the perception of being bothered with flying the airplane so much it would take away from, um, flying the airplane. Then how that would be for you if you found yourself tasked to fly an airplane that required you to, you know, fly it.

I wont forger the basics to flying a basic airplane, the computers on the 42 help with it's complex systems which most other GA aircraft don't have. If I will forget something about flying a basic aircraft than I wont fly it until I'll be proficient to fly it again. I don't need to stay proficient in an airplane that I don't fly, if I will have to fly it I'll take a lesson or two in it and be proficient again.

About 2 years ago after a couple thousand hours in current production transport jets I was reminded of that when I got rechecked in a round engined tailwheel airplane. Perishable skills indeed.

So now you fly that taildagger just to stay proficient in it? If you enjoy it I understand, but flying something just for the sake of being proficient is a waist of time & money.

[colmbo]

As much as I like manual stuff the computers significantly make the aircraft operation easier so you pay more attention to what's going on outside. See when your alone & flying an approach with turns around mountains, at night, with 1nm visibility, and 30kts (ground) winds you really don't want to be bothered with technical aircraft operations.

I just have to keep coming back to this.  You dang sure better be "bothered with technical aircraft operations" or it's going to jump up and kill you.  D E A D.

[MachFly]

I just have to keep coming back to this.  You dang sure better be "bothered with technical aircraft operations" or it's going to jump up and kill you.  D E A D.

Don't get me wrong, I don't ignore it. It's just helps you reduce the workload, nothing wrong with that.

[MachFly]

Are you serious?  Heck no, I was tickled to be there.

I would have loved to be there as well. I'm saying that if you can reduce the workload why not do it?
On a B-24 you can't, because you'll ruin a classic airplane, but there is no reason not to do it on something modern.