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[MachFly]

Does it matter?  There were two.

Yes it does. Tupac asked so he can learn, not so you can shut him up by saying that it does not matter.
I'm sorry about your friend, but if your going to bring this up on a public forum people will ask what happened, if you want to avoid those questions don't post such things.

[Golfer]

no one ever said it was safe

Well if you can't see the forest through the trees you'll just have to hit your head on one to see for yourself. Hope it doesn't hurt you too bad when you do.

Flying is a perishable skill. That's a fact and maintaining proficiency is the most fundamental aspect of honing a perishable skill. Someday when you fly with people who aren't, or probably more accurately, have enough experience to recognize someone who isn't you'll understand.  It's one of those things that depending on your point of view a lack of proficiency can be either invisible or obvious. Nobody is above it and everyone is subject to it.

Where do you see your career going anyway?  What's your dream job?

[Golfer]

Yes it does. Tupac asked so he can learn, not so you can shut him up by saying that it does not matter.
I'm sorry about your friend, but if your going to bring this up on a public forum people will ask what happened, if you want to avoid those questions don't post such things.

I didn't shut him up. Now you're being obtuse.

For this example why they crashed isn't as important as the fact they were killed. Over 25,000 flight hours between two pilots died in a twin with 300hp motors on a clear and a million day, not during takeoff or landing.

That's two experienced pilots in an airplane very capable of handling an engine failure in the safest phase of flight. Dead.

But hey, you'll be fine.

[MachFly]

Flying is a perishable skill. That's a fact and maintaining proficiency is the most fundamental aspect of honing a perishable skill. Someday when you fly with people who aren't, or probably more accurately, have enough experience to recognize someone who isn't you'll understand.  It's one of those things that depending on your point of view a lack of proficiency can be either invisible or obvious. Nobody is above it and everyone is subject to it.

I agree. But you were talking about maintaining proficiency in a small airplane, the two are not the same. For example you can have great stick and rudder skills but have no idea how to lean the mixture.

[Golfer]

I agree. But you were talking about maintaining proficiency in a small airplane, the two are not the same. For example you can have great stick and rudder skills but have no idea how to lean the mixture.

And here's where I check out.  Godspeed Machfly.

[MachFly]

I didn't shut him up. Now you're being obtuse.

For this example why they crashed isn't as important as the fact they were killed. Over 25,000 flight hours between two pilots died in a twin with 300hp motors on a clear and a million day, not during takeoff or landing.

That's two experienced pilots in an airplane very capable of handling an engine failure in the safest phase of flight. Dead.

But hey, you'll be fine.

Yes it is important, you won't live long enough to learn only from your own mistakes.

The number of hours, the type of engines, and the number of engines does not guarantee your safety, its the way you fly that will make the final diferents whether you survive or not.

[MachFly]

And here's where I check out.  Godspeed Machfly.

Okay

[Golfer]

Yes it is important, you won't live long enough to learn only from your own mistakes.

The number of hours, the type of engines, and the number of engines does not guarantee your safety, its the way you fly that will make the final diferents whether you survive or not.

Ugh.

Machfly I see now I've made some incorrect assumptions which means I'm not playing on a level field. So as not to sound even more condescending I'm going to cut myself off until I figure out something a little more tactful.

[icepac]

I wonder if more drivers have died in ford mustangs in the past year than all pilots of airplanes worldwide?

[2ADoc]

More people get killed by donkeys every year than get killed in GA.

I have had one accident, in over 22 years of flying.  I had a passenger, I was the only one that got hurt, when I knocked myself out with the pitot tube, exiting the aircraft at a rapid pace. 
  In over 50 years of flying my dad has had 2 accidents, both in experimental aircraft.  Flying is the safest mode of travel there is.

[colmbo]

More people get killed by donkeys every year than get killed in GA.

Prove it.

  In over 50 years of flying my dad has had 2 accidents, both in experimental aircraft.  Flying is the safest mode of travel there is.

No it isn't, by far.

[2ADoc]

It was a stat that came out a few years ago, colmbo. I am not here to argue with anyone but I guess that someone lit your tampon fuze today.  Let's just tell all the young people that are on here that if you get in a plane you are going to die a horrible flaming death.  It is the truth I guess.

[68ZooM]

in miles traveled Air is the safest followed by Rail and Bus

[colmbo]

in miles traveled Air is the safest followed by Rail and Bus

And if you look at deaths per trip you'll see that air travel is only safer than motorcycles and bicycles and over twice as dangerous as automobiles.

[colmbo]

It was a stat that came out a few years ago, colmbo. I am not here to argue with anyone but I guess that someone lit your tampon fuze today.  Let's just tell all the young people that are on here that if you get in a plane you are going to die a horrible flaming death.  It is the truth I guess.

You might want to check your fuze. <G>

I never said flying equals death.  I've been flying since '72, I'm pretty comfortable with it.   I live in Alaska, we have a horrible aircraft accident rate up here -- some of that due to Alaska and some due to pilots pushing when they shouldn't -- it's very unforgiving.

I've never equated flying with a "horrible flaming death" -- unless you get in an airplane with a pilot that doesn't have his head screwed on straight. In that case you better have your estate planning in order.