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Offline MachFly

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Navy BDU
« on: November 13, 2011, 12:16:47 AM »
I can't figure out how the new Navy BDU works, it's blue. The only time when it would camouflage you is when you fall of a ship.
So do I not understand something or is it just stupid?
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 01:04:00 AM »
I think they change color if water hits them actually, so their easier to spot by rescue crews. I could be wrong though, idk.
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 01:20:07 AM »
Someone in the white house said that all services were to come up with a new uniform each. This was after watching a tv broadcast of the FARC toting someone around they kidnapped all dressed up in the old woodland pattern. That meant that each service came up with a different pattern, material, configuration, and colors. The navy BDU is simply what their command chose to replace the old stuff that alot of other countries were using to make everyone unique. For the idea of them changing color if they go in the water I hadn't heard of that. Must be wierd at the laundromat if the blue stuff turned orange and the cops walk in huh? Akward would be an understatement.
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 01:28:47 AM »
Someone in the white house said that all services were to come up with a new uniform each. This was after watching a tv broadcast of the FARC toting someone around they kidnapped all dressed up in the old woodland pattern. That meant that each service came up with a different pattern, material, configuration, and colors. The navy BDU is simply what their command chose to replace the old stuff that alot of other countries were using to make everyone unique. For the idea of them changing color if they go in the water I hadn't heard of that. Must be wierd at the laundromat if the blue stuff turned orange and the cops walk in huh? Akward would be an understatement.

Yeah, you're right lol. I shoulda done my research before hand.  :lol :bolt:
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 02:26:15 AM »
Someone in the white house said that all services were to come up with a new uniform each. This was after watching a tv broadcast of the FARC toting someone around they kidnapped all dressed up in the old woodland pattern. That meant that each service came up with a different pattern, material, configuration, and colors. The navy BDU is simply what their command chose to replace the old stuff that alot of other countries were using to make everyone unique. For the idea of them changing color if they go in the water I hadn't heard of that. Must be wierd at the laundromat if the blue stuff turned orange and the cops walk in huh? Akward would be an understatement.

As always, decisions are made by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Just like with the F-4.
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 03:09:34 AM »
As always, decisions are made by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Just like with the F-4.


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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 05:30:30 AM »
i read in the Army Times and Stars and Stripes a few weeks ago that all the branches are going to try to adopt the same uniform. I know right now that the Army and Air Force both wear Multicam over here in Afghanistan, and the Navy and Marine Corps wear there MARPAT. and the Coast Guard at KAF wear desert BDUs lol.

So im pretty sure that the line is gonna be drawn between Multicam and MARPAT, 2 best camo's out there
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 05:55:05 AM »
i read in the Army Times and Stars and Stripes a few weeks ago that all the branches are going to try to adopt the same uniform. I know right now that the Army and Air Force both wear Multicam over here in Afghanistan, and the Navy and Marine Corps wear there MARPAT. and the Coast Guard at KAF wear desert BDUs lol.

So im pretty sure that the line is gonna be drawn between Multicam and MARPAT, 2 best camo's out there

That would be the smart thing, but I aint gunna hold my breath....
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 08:12:46 AM »
The blue navy utility uniform was supposed to be a replacement for the blue jeans lookin Navy uniform.  More of a garrison utility uniform.

In fact, the new Air Force ABUs were originally also supposed to be just a garrison uniform, and they had quite a bit more blue in them.  The problem was that the AF had already been deployed continuously for a couple decades, so we knew that there was no way we would be able to avoid actually going to war wearing the new "garrison" utilities, so we complained until they toned it down and gave us the current ABU garrison utility uniform which still has a hint of blue... which we in fact wear when we go to war   :confused:

The basic idea was that it was "peacetime" (except for special forces and the USAF which never really quit deploying since Vietnam and which maintained a high deployment tempo ever since desert storm) and all of the services had this awful BDU utility uniform which worked ok in combat, but looked sloppy in garrison and, was hard to maintain (ironing/pressing would wreck the fabric).  So the services decided to come up with new *garrison* utility uniforms that would share the same basic design, fabric, etc., but would have slightly customized patterns and colors.  The Army one would be mostly green, marines would have more brown, navy would be some sort of awful blue, and the AF would have a brighter, light blue.  Then the bickering started.  Velcro vs. buttons vs. snaps vs. zippers?  Velcro breaks down in the field some argued, but others countered that this was supposed to be a garrison uniform.  The AF wanted the pixellated pattern to be a loose variation on the modern new Air Force logo, so now we had multiple patterns.  The fabric was too heavy or too light for each service, so now we had different fabrics, designs, colors.  The dreamed-of cost savings of course vanished, which slowed development and initial production. 

And then the contracts started getting cancelled for the BDUs so they quit making them, and all of the services had to start using the new uniforms without delay.  And 9/11 happened followed by a decade of combat ops, so we went to war with our garrison uniforms instead of the planned "someday we'll get around to making them" combat uniforms that would have been really nice and have more commonality between the services. 

Yea right.  It took years of combat ops in the freaking desert before the AF managed to come out with a fire resistant ABU, and the fabric is STILL too heavy.  The Army at least got something right when they made the mesh body shirt...  Patterned fabric on long sleeves, mesh body to go under 40 lbs of body armor.  And still none of the services have a dedicated desert combat uniform, while the AF continues to wear their flammable/meltable garrison uniform in combat.

I don't think I'll see it before I retire, but the rumor is that all of the services are trying to update their "combat" uniforms based on the last 20 years of desert operations.  I'll believe it when I see it, and I bet the AF "Chair force" types manage to sneak some blue into the next AF "battle" uniform.  Because we have to be distinctive and unique, even if that means people think we're all mentally deficient for taking a blue garrison uniform to the desert to fight a war.

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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 08:18:32 AM »
im pretty sure that the line is gonna be drawn between Multicam and MARPAT, 2 best camo's out there

One can only hope but based on the historical approach used, I bet our Chiefs and "support" generals who haven't set foot in the field in decades (if ever) "win" and the AF fouls it up again.  The Chiefs will insist that it either comes out of the dryer with a crease, or airmen will have to starch and press it.  Because utility uniforms need to look sharp, for some reason.

When you're sitting in in the MPF or headquarters wearing your utility uniform to show solidarity with the troops in the field, looking sharp is a pretty high priority.  I think they should just admit they're not out in the field and wear our EXISTING garrison uniform, which is bright blue, and has shiny black shoes and a shiny belt buckle too.  That uniform is reasonably comfortable, pretty easy to care for, looks pretty sharp, and has plenty of shiny stuff to keep the young airmen busy polishing and ironing.  Wear BLUES if you gotta look good.  But of course common sense doesn't apply in today's AF, at least it doesn't work at the levels where the uniform wear decisions are made.

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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2011, 08:20:02 AM »
One can only hope but based on the historical approach used, I bet our Chiefs and "support" generals who haven't set foot in the field in decades (if ever) "win" and the AF fouls it up again.  The Chiefs will insist that it either comes out of the dryer with a crease, or airmen will have to starch and press it.  Because utility uniforms need to look sharp, for some reason.

When you're sitting in in the MPF or headquarters wearing your utility uniform to show solidarity with the troops in the field, looking sharp is a pretty high priority.  I think they should just admit they're not out in the field and wear our EXISTING garrison uniform, which is bright blue, and has shiny black shoes and a shiny belt buckle too.  That uniform is reasonably comfortable, pretty easy to care for, looks pretty sharp, and has plenty of shiny stuff to keep the young airmen busy polishing and ironing.  Wear BLUES if you gotta look good.  But of course common sense doesn't apply in today's AF, at least it doesn't work at the levels where the uniform wear decisions are made.



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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2011, 08:21:44 AM »
Because we have to be distinctive and unique, even if that means people think we're all mentally deficient for taking a blue garrison uniform to the desert to fight a war.

Excellent insight as usual eagl. This last line made me laugh out loud.  :lol
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2011, 11:08:10 AM »
I remember wearing the old fatigues. They were light, wash and wear, looked good and easy to get tailored. Since they worked so good as a regular uniform of course they HAD to be changed.  :bhead

Then came the BDU's. Heavy, shapeless, impossible to iron without starch, didn't breath and soaked up water just great making them more uncomfortable in hot climates with humidity. Don't forget they had to be worn with the shirt tails out, really good idea for folks who work in close proximity to moving machinery, like tankers and artillery guys. Then lets not forget the idea of blending in to the desert in woodland camouflage.... Of course some General would get a wild hair and make a simple change that meant everyone had to get new ones as the old ones were no longer authorized.  :mad:

I swear, designing a new uniform seems to be a requirement for every chief of staff in the pentagon. It's like they find out they had a secret fetish to be clothing designers and naturally think they are a genius at it. :huh
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2011, 01:23:02 PM »
Excellent insight as usual eagl. This last line made me laugh out loud.  :lol

I'm pretty cynical about a lot of things, but I've been pissed off at the USAF Chiefs council for over a decade because of the pressed BDU thing.  Bunch of damned chair-force wannabes making their troops buy expensive utility uniforms and then ruin them trying to make them look as nice as blues.  There are only one or two things I violently disagree with the CMSgts about, and this is one of them.

If you're in garrison and aren't going to get sweaty, you ought to be wearing blues, period.  End of freaking story.  If you're not in ops and not in a "dirty" support job, then man up, swallow your personal pride issues, and sit at your desk wearing blues like every other support troop in history.  It doesn't make them less manly, to do their job with pride.  Some folks get dirty, some don't.  That's life, nothing wrong with it.  We NEED folks who never need a uniform more durable than blues, because those jobs are important.  It escapes me completely why those troops are made to feel inferior and thrown a pitiful little token by being told they can wear utility uniforms when doing desk jobs in garrison.  Utterly baffling, but that's been on and off policy since the first gulf war, and pretty much constant since 9/11.  Some bases are back to wearing blues on Monday, but even that has been fouled up since people who normally need utility uniforms end up being forced to do dirty work wearing blues.

I had some young airmen in my office last Monday, swapping out printers.  These guys had to crawl behind desks and cabinets chasing cables, lifting 30 lb printers, basically getting dirty and sweaty doing a pretty big equipment swapout job.  But because it was Monday and they aren't flying ops folks, they had to wear blues.  Dumb, and totally backwards from how it *should* be.  Dirty jobs wear should utilities no matter what day of the week it is, desk jobs should wear blues no matter what day it is.  "Problem" solved...  But that would be way too much common sense for the CMSgts making uniform wear policy (or recommendations to the general who signs the regs).
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Re: Navy BDU
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 04:48:35 PM »
The blue navy utility uniform was supposed to be a replacement for the blue jeans lookin Navy uniform.  More of a garrison utility uniform.

In fact, the new Air Force ABUs were originally also supposed to be just a garrison uniform, and they had quite a bit more blue in them.  The problem was that the AF had already been deployed continuously for a couple decades, so we knew that there was no way we would be able to avoid actually going to war wearing the new "garrison" utilities, so we complained until they toned it down and gave us the current ABU garrison utility uniform which still has a hint of blue... which we in fact wear when we go to war   :confused:

The basic idea was that it was "peacetime" (except for special forces and the USAF which never really quit deploying since Vietnam and which maintained a high deployment tempo ever since desert storm) and all of the services had this awful BDU utility uniform which worked ok in combat, but looked sloppy in garrison and, was hard to maintain (ironing/pressing would wreck the fabric).  So the services decided to come up with new *garrison* utility uniforms that would share the same basic design, fabric, etc., but would have slightly customized patterns and colors.  The Army one would be mostly green, marines would have more brown, navy would be some sort of awful blue, and the AF would have a brighter, light blue.  Then the bickering started.  Velcro vs. buttons vs. snaps vs. zippers?  Velcro breaks down in the field some argued, but others countered that this was supposed to be a garrison uniform.  The AF wanted the pixellated pattern to be a loose variation on the modern new Air Force logo, so now we had multiple patterns.  The fabric was too heavy or too light for each service, so now we had different fabrics, designs, colors.  The dreamed-of cost savings of course vanished, which slowed development and initial production. 

And then the contracts started getting cancelled for the BDUs so they quit making them, and all of the services had to start using the new uniforms without delay.  And 9/11 happened followed by a decade of combat ops, so we went to war with our garrison uniforms instead of the planned "someday we'll get around to making them" combat uniforms that would have been really nice and have more commonality between the services. 

Yea right.  It took years of combat ops in the freaking desert before the AF managed to come out with a fire resistant ABU, and the fabric is STILL too heavy.  The Army at least got something right when they made the mesh body shirt...  Patterned fabric on long sleeves, mesh body to go under 40 lbs of body armor.  And still none of the services have a dedicated desert combat uniform, while the AF continues to wear their flammable/meltable garrison uniform in combat.

I don't think I'll see it before I retire, but the rumor is that all of the services are trying to update their "combat" uniforms based on the last 20 years of desert operations.  I'll believe it when I see it, and I bet the AF "Chair force" types manage to sneak some blue into the next AF "battle" uniform.  Because we have to be distinctive and unique, even if that means people think we're all mentally deficient for taking a blue garrison uniform to the desert to fight a war.



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