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Offline Chalenge

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Old & New strat system
« on: November 17, 2011, 01:55:31 PM »
I wish the old strat system would return even if it is limited somewhat. The reason I say this is because there are two trends online right now that are *bugging* me. One is the diminishing numbers. I dont know where everyone has gone because simply put there doesnt seem to be an alternative to this game. AH is the best and thats that! But still we dont see the late nighters anymore. Maybe its the economy?

The scond is the strict adherence to furballing and vulching. It used to be that you would always see someone attacking the strats and I thought when the B29 came in that would increase. Not so. It did for a while but now its back to vulch and furball.

I think the reason we have this problem is related to the strats and the fact that beginners entering the game are the target of endless attacks until they *conform* and are in a Spit flying to the nearest furball. If they try to take a bomber they will almost certainly bring 100% fuel and be cut down before they get to their target. So they give up and who can blame them? The problem is when they get yelled at until they leave the game never to return.

Bring back the old strats and trains. Do it for the noobs.

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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 02:05:01 PM »
most of the people hiting the strats back then were old timers trying to pad their score or looking for easy perks.  If you really want them to practice while at same time earn some easy perks, lead them to midwar or early war.  lots of people go there to earn a couple of hundred perks in a few hours.


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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 02:13:29 PM »
That is not a solution because thats only going to teach them the same habits. Everyone wants perks. Its no different for noobs. The old strat system will give them air time and a way to learn different things while flying with the rest of us. When someone then tries to go over to the strats and put a halt to their missions then they can learn how to deal with that without getting ganged 20:1.

Anymore there is no purpose to early and mid wars. Its the new perk harvesting without any defense in place.
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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 02:19:12 PM »
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Not so. When I looked for strats they were 90% of the time near hot areas. When I set up my bomb routes in lancs it was for maximum strat destruction on city and the strat I was gunning for (half my load on city, half on dar, or fuel, or whatever). This often lead to 4 -6 sectors through enemy territory, often literally flying AROUND a field being contested (as strats often circle some fields) and finishing the circle to land again.

It's not about milk running or stats padding. Strats never helped your stats much anyways. Never got any decent perks from a single strat run ever. Kill a single fighter and you get perks out the wazoo, but drop 100,000lbs of bombs and you get 3.4 perks or whatever.

No, it was about trying to set up a fun and interactive bomber mission. I didn't always get through. Sometimes the enemy would send up a plane or two to hunt me down. Sometimes I got a kill sometimes they downed me.

Is that any different than lone-wolfing it in a fighter, staying OUT of the massive gangbang furballs? So if you fly 1 sector away from a base take in a fighter at 12k, should I call you a stats padder?



I think not. There's a lot more to this game than you appear to enjoy. Doesn't mean others can't enjoy it. Bombing was fun when we had some regional targets. As much as I love the megastrat it's all but useless in every day bombing. You CAN'T bomb it 99% of the time on some maps because it's just too far away. Oh you could make it with full gas and 3 hours, but you often don't have 3+ hours to devote to a single sortie for perks you can count on the fingers of one hand.

Having some combination of mega strat and zone strat would be a good thing for the bombers' fun. You still have darbar. You still have late war fighters. So you see the dar bar over your blinking strat, go kill the bastage! Same as if you saw it happening over a v-field or a carrier.


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« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 02:21:02 PM by Krusty »

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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 02:44:56 PM »
most of the people hiting the strats back then were old timers trying to pad their score or looking for easy perks.  If you really want them to practice while at same time earn some easy perks, lead them to midwar or early war.  lots of people go there to earn a couple of hundred perks in a few hours.


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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 03:27:43 PM »
The status quo IS hurting the game as we have less options now than we did before.  The big city is a loser and it hurts the game.  What is really bad is any new player coming to the game really has NOTHING, including help.  Sure, this will probably get a severe backlash, but it's true.  As a whole, the AH community is very negative towards new players, offering verbal abuse and hard times rather than help.  I'm sure that statement will bring a bunch of stories out to counter me here by do-gooders , fire away.  Just watching country chat in the game one night, any night, shows just what I am saying.

At least with the old strat system a new player could sort of get his feet wet and have a little fun at the same time, attacking some static target, gaining a few perks in the process, learning the flight system and how the MA works.  As Krusty mentioned, it takes too long to run a mission to the big cities with bombers; and forget making an attack run with some ground attack plane on the cities.  And how is a new player able to comprehend that kind of attack anyway, especially when they aren't even sure if their flaps are up or down.  Attack an airfield you say?  How is a new player supposed to understand that one (to make a successful run that is)?  Moreover, whats the point anyway as there is really nothing to gain; fraction of a perk maybe, high chance of death for a new player, doesn't hurt the field enough to make a regional difference anyway.

Worthless system and the game is paying for it on many levels.  I don't need the numbers on paper to tell me there are fewer players in the game.....just log in!  Obvious that there are less and less playing these days and with nothing to capture newer players this is just a slow death.

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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 04:52:20 PM »
I used to enjoy relatively quiet B-26 runs on strats.  It was an easy way to get a few bomber perks in less than half an hour, without getting horded.  I would definitely like the old strats brought back.
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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 05:37:18 PM »
I would like to add that I *like* the new strat city. What I dont like is the lack of smaller strats distributed around like the old zones system. I dont know if there is a limitation in the game that prevents the two being used together but that is exactly what I would like to see.
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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 06:19:13 PM »
The status quo IS hurting the game as we have less options now than we did before.  The big city is a loser and it hurts the game.  What is really bad is any new player coming to the game really has NOTHING, including help  etc.

At least with the old strat system a new player could sort of get his feet wet and have a little fun at the same time, attacking some static target, gaining a few perks in the process, learning the flight system and how the MA works etc.

agreed :aok

I used to enjoy relatively quiet B-26 runs on strats.  It was an easy way to get a few bomber perks in less than half an hour, without getting horded.  I would definitely like the old strats brought back.

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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 07:59:28 PM »
+1,..options are nice in the arenas,..GVs and every kind of plane and player enjoyed them from time to time even if the trains won now and again :pray
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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 03:59:50 AM »
That is not a solution because thats only going to teach them the same habits. Everyone wants perks. Its no different for noobs. The old strat system will give them air time and a way to learn different things while flying with the rest of us. When someone then tries to go over to the strats and put a halt to their missions then they can learn how to deal with that without getting ganged 20:1.

Anymore there is no purpose to early and mid wars. Its the new perk harvesting without any defense in place.

lol i still remember looking up the guys the stats for the guys  hitting the old strats and these guys were not noobs.  they were guys trying to pad their score for higher rank which is what they will be doing if the old come back.  I was new back then and I could never get fast enough to the strats to even get .000001 perks as the old "scorepotato" timers had already been there.

to be honest it's bs that it will help the new guys.  the only ones hitting them would be the ones heading for easy perks.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 05:08:18 AM »
So Gun, having less options helps the new players?  Sure the guys worrying about score will hit the strats, but so what?  Score means nothing in the game anyway, certainly doesn't prove that one guy is better than the next at flying in the MA.  New players have zero help to a pretty high learning curve and the game suffers because of it.

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 06:18:02 AM »
So Gun, having less options helps the new players?  Sure the guys worrying about score will hit the strats, but so what?  Score means nothing in the game anyway, certainly doesn't prove that one guy is better than the next at flying in the MA.  New players have zero help to a pretty high learning curve and the game suffers because of it.

how much help do you think a destroyed strat is going to be for the new guy?  spin it all you want but fact is when the strats were here 99.99% of them got destroyed by guys padding their score.  you know how i know?  because when I joined it took me several months to actually hit one, as they were always down before i got there.

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Re: Old & New strat system
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2011, 08:12:21 AM »
Those guys destroying the strats to pad thier score will instead pad my buff hunting score.

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2011, 08:28:01 AM »
lol i still remember looking up the guys the stats for the guys  hitting the old strats and these guys were not noobs.  they were guys trying to pad their score for higher rank which is what they will be doing if the old come back.  I was new back then and I could never get fast enough to the strats to even get .000001 perks as the old "scorepotato" timers had already been there.

to be honest it's bs that it will help the new guys.  the only ones hitting them would be the ones heading for easy perks.

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When my father played being in his late 60s  he wasn't quick enough to fly fighters. He did however spend hours and hours flying buffs to depots and pounding the crap out of them. For him it was fun flying a long mission and trying to get back to land. There was risk, but not so much that it got him frustrated. Score???? he didn't even know how to look it up!

Those guys destroying the strats to pad thier score will instead pad my buff hunting score.

Exactly! It would create more opportunities for combat to happen. Not everyone likes flying around in a pig herd rutting around in the mud.