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Offline IrishOne

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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2011, 12:25:53 PM »
are there any threads on this BBS where skorpion and Tyrannis don't wind up bickering like highschool girls?!   jeeeezus turn the record over already  :rolleyes:


to the O.P. bring on the Yak-3!!   i voted for it the whole way through and am all for ANYTHING soviet being added to the lineup :aok
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2011, 12:42:52 PM »
Mach-fly, the less hp is saying basically the same thing as less speed.

Main differences:

Reduced top speed
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)
Reduced range (not usually an issue)


Like I said, you trade performance in one area for performance in another, but neither of the changes will really give it a big advantage or handicap in a fight, much like the Yak-9.

Personally, I think that the biggest difference might come in the form of handling characteristics. Might be a bit harsher than the Yak-9, might be more lenient, might be almost the same, I don't know.


But the fact remains that the yak-3 is in no way 'needed', or even very high on the priority list (based on potential uses) for MAs OR special events. However, or EW and MW GV setup is pathetic and lacking, respectivly.
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2011, 01:06:42 PM »
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2011, 02:12:14 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)

How do you know that?
If you have the numbers somewhere please let me know what they are. If your saying that just because of the hp & weight than it might not be accurate, the shape of the wing will also be a factor.
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2011, 02:12:51 PM »
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2011, 02:55:40 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Mach-fly, the less hp is saying basically the same thing as less speed.

Main differences:

Reduced top speed
increased climb (and possibly acceleration)
Reduced range (not usually an issue)


Like I said, you trade performance in one area for performance in another, but neither of the changes will really give it a big advantage or handicap in a fight, much like the Yak-9.

Personally, I think that the biggest difference might come in the form of handling characteristics. Might be a bit harsher than the Yak-9, might be more lenient, might be almost the same, I don't know.


But the fact remains that the yak-3 is in no way 'needed', or even very high on the priority list (based on potential uses) for MAs OR special events. However, or EW and MW GV setup is pathetic and lacking, respectivly.
jager... anything Russian is needed... and the yak 3's weight will be its major benefit. it would be everything the yak 9 is and also more maneuverable
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2011, 05:48:45 PM »
u got ur wish move along now :D
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 06:03:14 PM »
Quote from: TwinBoom on November 19, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
u got ur wish move along now :D

What do you mean?
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2011, 06:53:43 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on November 19, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
How do you know that?
If you have the numbers somewhere please let me know what they are. If your saying that just because of the hp & weight than it might not be accurate, the shape of the wing will also be a factor.
Read the wiki article on it (yeah, I know, its wikipedia), and I've seen others talking about it.

I say possibly acceleration because of the aerodynamics, which I know nothing about.


No, it would be slower, have less range (although this is admitedly less of a handicap), but climb better, and be a bit more manuverable. You don't gain anything over the Yak-9 without also losing something.
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2011, 07:07:45 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 06:53:43 PM
Read the wiki article on it (yeah, I know, its wikipedia), and I've seen others talking about it.

I say possibly acceleration because of the aerodynamics, which I know nothing about.


No, it would be slower, have less range (although this is admitedly less of a handicap), but climb better, and be a bit more manuverable. You don't gain anything over the Yak-9 without also losing something.

Roger.

I never said that Yak-3 is better than Ya-9, I said they are different.
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2011, 07:21:20 PM »
That last part was to BAR, should have made that clear.
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2011, 08:32:18 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 07:21:20 PM
That last part was to BAR, should have made that clear.

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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2011, 11:15:08 PM »
Doesn't the yak3 outclimb the yak9?
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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2011, 08:22:08 AM »
Quote from: icepac on November 19, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
Doesn't the yak3 outclimb the yak9?


Time to 5000m

Yak3 prototype (yak1m dooblyor )4.1mins
Yak3 production 4.5 mins

Yak9u prototype 4.1 mins
Yak9u production 5.1 mins

By comparison an La7 using WEP best fully laden climb to 5000m is approx 4.8 / 4.9 mins. The Yak3 like the La7 achieves this thru it's initial acceleration and low altitude performance. Where as the Yak9u. Will have better acceleration , climb and performance above 2500/3000m.

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Re: Yak 3
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2011, 08:30:20 AM »
Quote from: Tilt on November 20, 2011, 08:22:08 AM

Time to 5000m

Yak3 prototype (yak1m dooblyor )4.1mins
Yak3 production 4.5 mins

Yak9u prototype 4.1 mins
Yak9u production 5.1 mins

By comparison an La7 using WEP best fully laden climb to 5000m is approx 4.8 / 4.9 mins. The Yak3 like the La7 achieves this thru it's initial acceleration and low altitude performance. Where as the Yak9u. Will have better acceleration , climb and performance above 2500/3000m.


Is that a Yaj-3 with a VK-105 or VK-107 engine?  If it is the VK-107 engine it is irrelevant as they didn't get them during the war.
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