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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2011, 01:42:41 AM »

hmm cant find anything about whippets being used to make terriers...honestly I have never heard that I wouldn't believe it.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2011, 04:21:54 AM »
Google is your friend.

 :rolleyes:

gee I shoulda thought of that.....



seems you have it backwards...whippets are from greyhounds and terriers.

"...The Whippet was developed at the end of the 19th century through crossing among the Greyhound, the Italian Greyhound, and another terrier type dog."

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/whippet.htm

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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2011, 08:11:56 AM »
What sort of people like this sort of thing :old:
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2011, 08:53:55 AM »
:rolleyes:

gee I shoulda thought of that.....



seems you have it backwards...whippets are from greyhounds and terriers.

"...The Whippet was developed at the end of the 19th century through crossing among the Greyhound, the Italian Greyhound, and another terrier type dog."

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/whippet.htm
Look at the bloodline of any terrier. they all used whippet blood to create the breed.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2011, 08:56:10 AM »
 An interesting vid about stupid dog owners,first there were no pitbulls involved,the 2 yellow dogs are black mouthcurs,the grey/blue dog is a cross with maybe some pit in it and as has been mentioned the 2 white dogs at the end were dogo's.

  The owners didnt give the dogs flack jackets and are just asking to loose a good dog to a bleedout.

  I realize feral pigs are a huge problem but do they really need to be hunted like that? A quick kill will rid the problem without causing undo stress to both the dogs and the hogs.

 In Argentina where the dogos come from it's tradition to hunt boar in this manner and the hunter goes in and kills the hog with his knife as the dogs hold it but thats a traditional type thing and isnt the norm.

  It burns me when people call any dog a pit because it's big and has a large head.... :rolleyes:  Most wouldnt know a well bred pitbull from a poodle but then attacks by poodles wouldnt make headlines.


    Ink, way back when they used whippets in the bull and terriers,they used lakelands,airedales and softcoated wheatons too.  There was no standard that the "breed" followed so any "game" dog was used amd mixed into the lines. It wasnt until the 1930 or so that we see the developement of the dogs we call pitbulls today. And even then there were several distinct types,bullterriers,american staffs and english staffs and amoung these we have several subtypes.

  Most dont know but these dogs can in all sizes and fought at different weight classes. There were dogs in the 5 to 9 lb range and dogs in the 40 to 50 pound range,once the dogs get much larger than 50 or 60 pounds they become too lumbering and slow and were often dispatched by much lighter and smaller dogs.

   The only time you saw the large dogs was if it was a bull or bear baiting event,they even used the smaller 40 to 50 lb dogs against caged lions and tigers. You can read adds from the London times in the 1800's for matches and challenges,1 that stands out to me is the add for Slugo,it went like this.."Slugo standing at challenge,willing to take on man or beast 50 to 500lbs,fee a 5000pound note!

  Yes the fought at the Westminister pits,often against baboons or "little" people,once the blood sport was outlawed they turned to dogfighting and ratting and this started the trend to the smaller dogs. A typical"fighter stood 16 inches at the shoulder and weighed 40 pounds,these were found to be all but unbeatable as many of the older "bulldog" types were dispatched by these smaller gamebred types.


 So yes you can find whippet blood in some lines,old school bluepauls were said to have the greyhound blood{whippet} to develope the tilted pelvis that allowed them to turn inside their body length,if you've ever seen a pit turn circles you know just what I mean.


   There are no bad pitbulls just plenty of stupid owners,btw I dont own a pit,I raise English Staffordshire Bullterriers and for 20 years I bred and showed English Bullterriers so that gives me about 30 years raising these dogs.



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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2011, 09:12:44 AM »
I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video.  That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property.  I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.
no offense but do you normally say things that are so...for lack of a better term, dumb? properly trained hunting dogs, even pitbulls are safer for kids to be around than the average idiot raised house pet. i've had pitbulls that would let little kids do whatever they wanted with them yet in the field hunting they were very aggressive.

personally, i wouldn't want to be within a mile of the rednecks in that video.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2011, 09:31:04 AM »
I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video.  That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property.  I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.


Hunting dogs trained... hog not..... maybe you'd prefer the hog around your kids.

BTW I did not watch the vid as I have no love for pits.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2011, 09:32:55 AM »
no offense but do you normally say things that are so...for lack of a better term, dumb? properly trained hunting dogs, even pitbulls are safer for kids to be around than the average idiot raised house pet. i've had pitbulls that would let little kids do whatever they wanted with them yet in the field hunting they were very aggressive.

personally, i wouldn't want to be within a mile of the rednecks in that video.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2011, 09:34:37 AM »
How your dog acts =/= how all dogs act.
same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2011, 09:41:17 AM »


   There are no bad pitbulls just plenty of stupid owners



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This is correct for the most part. The issue with pits is "if" they turn, they have a 2000 lb biting force. They may not turn any more than other dogs but when they do... it's bad. Also animals pack. In pack they get excited and attack.

Here if we see a dog in the cow pasture it's fine. If we see a group then the guns come out. Dogs in a pack can and will bring down cows.
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2011, 09:45:42 AM »
same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
...So now your comparing Kids to dogs?  :huh

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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2011, 10:12:46 AM »
same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
:lol  indeed
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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2011, 11:04:10 AM »
This is correct for the most part. The issue with pits is "if" they turn, they have a 2000 lb biting force. They may not turn any more than other dogs but when they do... it's bad. Also animals pack. In pack they get excited and attack.

Here if we see a dog in the cow pasture it's fine. If we see a group then the guns come out. Dogs in a pack can and will bring down cows.


 Indeed,dogs when in a pack can and will be a threat to anything that moves. As for bite force,well 2000lbs is thrown around alot but the truth is not really known.BTW humans can have a bite force in excess of 500lbs and cause much more infection than most dog bites.... :D

  I can understand that some people dont like pits but the dog is not to blame the owners are. A gamebred pure fighting dog will never bite a human,it's not in the dogs makeup to do so and any human aggression is culled out of the lines. Most the dogs you see today called "pitbulls" just arent pitbulls,they look somewhat like a pitbull but are overly large and despite the muscle and "looks" wouldnt last 1 minute with a gamebred dog.Those types look more like a hound than the steriotipical "pitbull",infact they've come to look like that mostly from being in the showring.

  Even my Staffies have suffered from this as they tend to look more bulldoggy than terrier because the judges tend to favour the stocky blockheaded dogs over the true athletic types.

 They banned pits where I live,mine are grandfather claused dogs so I'm allowed to keep them but must not breed or sell them.Now all you see are rotties and presas instead of the pits,ya like a 60 pound pit is dangerous but somehow a 120lb rottie or presa isnt... :rolleyes: Oh and the presas come from a line of Mastiff that was bred for slave retrieval or plantation dogs!  Now there's a dangerous dog! include the brazillian mastif{fila} and you have dogs that were bred to be human aggressive.The fila's cant even be approached in the show ring,judges stand back from the dogs and the owners present the dogs to the judges.   I could go out tommorrow and get a fila,about a 150lb dog but I cant own another Staffy that weighs 35lbs.......... :eek:


    Oh well, atleast until they discover the lakeland terrier is just a longhaired staffy I can always get 1 of those....right the wife says no more dogs and she's been saying that for about 30 years now!!!



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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2011, 12:33:34 PM »
Are you serious?  they have bundled staffies in the mix of dangerous dogs.. where you live...that is really sad...

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Re: I'm not a fan of Pit Bulls but....
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2011, 12:46:57 PM »

 

 They banned pits where I live,mine are grandfather claused dogs so I'm allowed to keep them but must not breed or sell them.Now all you see are rotties and presas instead of the pits,ya like a 60 pound pit is dangerous but somehow a 120lb rottie or presa isnt... :rolleyes: Oh and the presas come from a line of Mastiff that was bred for slave retrieval or plantation dogs!  Now there's a dangerous dog! include the brazillian mastif{fila} and you have dogs that were bred to be human aggressive.The fila's cant even be approached in the show ring,judges stand back from the dogs and the owners present the dogs to the judges.   I could go out tommorrow and get a fila,about a 150lb dog but I cant own another Staffy that weighs
I get the frustration but why are you lumping the Rott in as a " dangerous dog"?