StuG III Ausf G.

[Butcher]

Everyone goes to the Late War Arena. The Stug is an awesome looking tank but it won't get used.
I see the new M-18 in action every night driven by lots of tankers. It is fast and takes ya to the gv action fairly quickly.

my 2 cents,
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Mano

You fail to notice the PanzerF actually gets used more then most tanks and its 40 Eny, decent firepower but no armor - same as the M18.
The PanzerF will take a few hits and only does 25mph, this is the difference between M18 where it can't take hits and does 50+, and of course 1 perk.

By the way, I posted the data on the StuG a while back, Tank-Ace is incorrect as the StuG has no chance against a Panther, Tiger, King Tiger at any range over 200, under 1k for T34/85 (lower hull) and under 1200 for M4a3 (lower hull).

Basically saying unless you are on top of someone, you won't penetrate the front unless you aim for the lower hull, any upper hulls will not be penetrated at any range.

now saying this, our Panzer F with L/43 can penetrate T34 and M4 at 1200 from the front upper hull, not sure how but the data I was looking at suggested otherwise.

[Ack-Ack]

i feel copied

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

ack-ack

[perdue3]

He 111

[Tank-Ace]

By the way, I posted the data on the StuG a while back, Tank-Ace is incorrect as the StuG has no chance against a Panther, Tiger, King Tiger at any range over 200, under 1k for T34/85 (lower hull) and under 1200 for M4a3 (lower hull).

Basically saying unless you are on top of someone, you won't penetrate the front unless you aim for the lower hull, any upper hulls will not be penetrated at any range.

Quote or it didn't happen. I said you have the firepower to knock out any tank in the game (from the front), with the exception of the Tiger II, at ranges in excess of 1200yds.

[Butcher]

Quote or it didn't happen. I said you have the firepower to knock out any tank in the game (from the front), with the exception of the Tiger II, at ranges in excess of 1200yds.

You want it you got it, already explained to you once in another thread - I found a third thread on the subject -

Both would be good editions, the StuG IIIG would not be perked and probably 25 eny without being perked, a nice offset would be the Jagdpanzer, a turretless tank destroyer with the 75mm L/70 (same gun on the Panther), however I believe it would be perked, on par with the Firefly but a little cheaper.

Here's some combat information on the Stu.G.III -
It can penetrate a T34/85 front at 700m and Mantle at 100m so forget getting in a shoot out with the T34/85 -

T34/85 Penetrates the Stu mantle at 1100m, DFP 1500m and Nose 1400m

So taking this data I applied the armor from the T34/85 and explained it vs the M4a3(76) in another thread, if you look at the numbers closely
a StuG has to be under 800 to fully penetrate a T34's front armor, unless you manage a lower hull hit which extends out to 1k.

Unless a StuG is under 1000 it has no chance against a T34/85 or M4a3, anything over 1000 needs to be a side shot or rear.

However, a StuG-III will go suitable against a PanzerF, however I can see more people using the Pz4F based on the the turret (unless HTC lowers Pz4F to 30 eny or such).

Here's the thread also, http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317978.15.html

can I see your data the Stug penetrates everything up to Tiger 2? would be interesting to compare the German Army's data to wikipedia.

[skorpion]

You want it you got it, already explained to you once in another thread - I found a third thread on the subject -

So taking this data I applied the armor from the T34/85 and explained it vs the M4a3(76) in another thread, if you look at the numbers closely
a StuG has to be under 800 to fully penetrate a T34's front armor, unless you manage a lower hull hit which extends out to 1k.

Unless a StuG is under 1000 it has no chance against a T34/85 or M4a3, anything over 1000 needs to be a side shot or rear.

However, a StuG-III will go suitable against a PanzerF, however I can see more people using the Pz4F based on the the turret (unless HTC lowers Pz4F to 30 eny or such).

Here's the thread also, http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317978.15.html

can I see your data the Stug penetrates everything up to Tiger 2? would be interesting to compare the German Army's data to wikipedia.

today, i went out and shot at every tank mentioned, all but the Tiger and Panther were penetrable at 1k. either lower hull hits or where the hull and turret meet.

the Pz4F is a good comparison to the StuG because it has the same armor and the same exact gun. the StuG III Ausf G. with either the 105mm or the 75mm would be just fine.

[Tank-Ace]

Sorry, my mistake, I thought you were accusing me of saying the StuG would be unable to effectivly combat those vehicles at range.


And your numbers are off by the way. Our L'43 gun is rated at 90mm penetration at 2000yds, which means it should be able to engage ALL of those vehicles (save the KT) from beyond 1300yds. T-34 hull only provides about 85mm at line-of-sight thickness, and the M4 only has 95mm at LOS thickness. Lower hull of all vechles with sloped armor is a well known weak spot.

The Panther's turret is 100mm thick, the M4's turret is 63mm thick (with an 85mm gun shield), the T-34's is 90mm thick.

So a StuG armed with the StuK 40 L'43 would be capable of effectivly engaging the panther out to around 1600yds, the M4 to around 1300yds (based on my expierences fighting them in-game with the L'48, and offline with the L'43), and the T-34/85 all the way out to 2000yds.

An L'48 armed StuG would be able to engage the Panther out to just short of 2000yds, the M4 out to about 1600-1700yds, and the T-34 out to (an estimated) 2300yds.

Also the StuG's extra 30mm of armor over the Panzer IV F (StuG III Ausf. G had 80mm, as did the StuG IV) would likely cancel out the extra use the turret would give. IMO, the main reason people drive the Panzer IV F over the Panzer  Iv H is that you get an ENY of 35 (I think its 35 anyway), still get the second best gun mounted on a free tank, and you're only slightly easier to kill.

[Butcher]

So a StuG armed with the StuK 40 L'43 would be capable of effectivly engaging the panther out to around 1600yds, the M4 to around 1300yds (based on my expierences fighting them in-game with the L'48, and offline with the L'43), and the T-34/85 all the way out to 2000yds.

An L'48 armed StuG would be able to engage the Panther out to just short of 2000yds, the M4 out to about 1600-1700yds, and the T-34 out to (an estimated) 2300yds.

Can I see your sources on this?

[Tank-Ace]

In game data on tanks dude. Right click on the name in the hanger, and open up the armor values.

[Butcher]

In game data on tanks dude. Right click on the name in the hanger, and open up the armor values.

Can I see one example of a Panther being destroyed beyond 1600 meters from the front, and under 2k meters?

[skorpion]

Can I see one example of a Panther being destroyed beyond 1600 meters from the front, and under 2k meters?

i could give you an example of a Panther being destroyed at 2.2k meters from the front. just give me some time and ill have screenshots soon.

[Tank-Ace]

Here you go, killed a panther at almost exactly 1600yds. Could probably do it out to maybe 1800yds, but not sure I'd be able to aim effectivly at that distance, and thats really the limiting factor in a lot of engagments

1600yd panther kill


Edit: sorry, my computer is running slowly tonight. Heres the raw film if you want to download and view.

[Butcher]

quite interesting, I have never lost my panther beyond 1600 yards to any tank, only from the side or rear.

I don't think I've even had it destroyed from 1200 or 1400 rather.

[321BAR]

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

ack-ack

very true

[Debrody]

gv damage modelling works somewhat simmilar as on planes.
after being pinged multiple times, even a panther can became very soft.  Once a 76mm sherman got me from like 4.2K away, with "his" first ping. I was hammered badly before, tho, were like 10 panzers and shermans firing at me from 2,5-4k distance, took a time while i could get all of them.
What youre saying, from 1600 or so away, the panther can kill anything with 1, at most 2 pings, they dont have much time to shoot back.