haha   I was referring to a few posts where a few old heads were talking about how the 190a5 used to be HIGHLY competitive in a turn fight - as it should be (not just in an angles fight)
   Then something happened to nerf its turning abilities.   

  <-my shocked face   

                This may have been a several year old thread, when was the 190 FM and graphics last changed?
Give me my 1.65 Ata A8 , and my 1.82 A9 please .
http://imageshack.us/f/24/fw190seriesgraph.jpg
The funniest thing, or perhaps the  

 iest thing is,   EVERY SINGLE 190 a8 in the Luftwaffe was approved 1.65 ata within a week or 2 of delivery! 
Therefore, "They be stealing my bucket"!!
What Golly-geen update are you talking about?!?!
Response to your avatar:  No You Are Not.  (not in it online, at least  

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