Talk to me about 109s

[Brooke]

Also it lacks air to ground capability, so it doesn't meet the basic requirement of being an all-round fighter.

Ah, true -- I forgot about that.

[Brooke]

Emil is the only way to go

Heh.    I like flying it in Battle of Britain.  Scenarios determine what I fly in the MA (namely, I mostly fly whatever I'm going to be flying in the scenario), so I have flown the E in the MA a bit, too, and like it just fine.

I thought that one of the hardest planes to fly in the MA would be the 190A's, but they are quite good as long as the fight is more than just one on one, co-alt.

[Ardy123]

do me a favor and fly the 109 (any of them, well except agent) they way most so called experts fly it.  try to rope everybody then whine when I killed you because i stayed just within icon range gaining altitude then i nailed your azzz as you made your last rope  .


semp

Don't inflate your skills, what you do is you run in and pick them as they are fighting another plane.... otherwise you run away

Its simple as that.

[STXAce8]

G-2 is the best learning 109......... But make sure NO GONDIES.

[wil3ur]

I actually find a skilled G2 or G6 opponent the hardest 109 to dogfight...  some guys do some crazy work in those.  Personally, I'm a K4 man because I like the vert in it for the quick overshoot, it'll also do some great reversals at the top, and there's a tailslip I can do at low speed and come out nose down at 300mph for a quick getaway.  That, and I <3 taters.

[cobia38]

  E 4  is most fun to fly 

[SmokinLoon]

I never use drop tanks...when they are dropped the rack that holds the DT takes speed and climb rate down

"never"???  

Do you know exactly how much speed and climb rate you lose even if the DT is dropped on the runway???  Here is your answer: not enough to worry about.  If the wee fewer MPH or ft/min get your 109x shot down then you shouldnt have been in that situation to begin with.    

On that note, I dont take up a DT unless I know I'm going up to 20k+ to chase bombers.  Likewise, I dont take the gondolas unless I'm doing the same.

 

[BaldEagl]

Why pick just one?  And frankly I'd include the 190's.  Between the 109's and 190's theres a plane for any occasion and variety is, afterall, the spice of life.  And unlike other plane model families, the differences here aren't nearly so subtle.  Each has a distinctive personality.

[Yeager]

There was a time long ago when some of the most feared air combat gamers flew 109s with lethal results........way back.  In recent years the 109s seemed to lose their shine, for whatever reason, and the 109 drivers departed under a cloud of luwftwhiney mischievous deviousness.

[4Prop]

ive always liked the G-14 the most. its the closest thing I can get to a K4. I like that it has gondies so when every single tater misses that easy shot I had the 20s can still do some work. thats a +1...has backup armament


P.S I suck with taters

[Guppy35]

Why pick just one?  And frankly I'd include the 190's.  Between the 109's and 190's theres a plane for any occasion and variety is, afterall, the spice of life.  And unlike other plane model families, the differences here aren't nearly so subtle.  Each has a distinctive personality.

Cause least is best

[Tank-Ace]

Uptown, IMO, you're going to want to fly either the 109G-14 or the 109G-2 depending on the situation. If you need speed, but still want the flexibility of hitting ground targets, take the G15 with the 250kg bomb. If speed is less of a concern, up a G2 with the bomb.

With the G2, you trade a bit of speed and 13mm cowl guns in for vastly improved manuverability and a pair of 7.92mm's.


If however, you want a pure fighter, the 109K4 can't be beat. The engine is powerfull enough to get you out of most tight spots, and she is THE bench-mark for climbrate out of the Axis prop-fighters. Only the spitfire Mk 14 can outclimb it, and just barely at that.

[uptown]

Why pick just one?  And frankly I'd include the 190's.  Between the 109's and 190's theres a plane for any occasion and variety is, afterall, the spice of life.  And unlike other plane model families, the differences here aren't nearly so subtle.  Each has a distinctive personality.

The 190s never have interested me. As a kid I was always day dreamed about the epic P51 VS 109 fight. I've been in the P51 long enough in this game and now I want to see the fight from the 109s POV for awhile. 

[Krusty]

With the G2, you trade a bit of speed and 13mm cowl guns in for vastly improved manuverability and a pair of 7.92mm's.


If however, you want a pure fighter, the 109K4 can't be beat. The engine is powerfull enough to get you out of most tight spots, and she is THE bench-mark for climbrate out of the Axis prop-fighters. Only the spitfire Mk 14 can outclimb it, and just barely at that.

Okay, first off: "Vastly"???? Try "Marginally".... G-2 has a radius of 636 ft, G-6 has 648 ft.

Secondly: The K-4 isn't really the benchmark. It has a nice sustained climb, but in a combat situation you're not sitting on autopilot. You have zooms, you hang nose-high below best climb speed, etc. The 109K4 isn't nearly as much a UFO as half a dozen other planes in the game, several of them having "Spit" in their name. It is by no means an unstoppable monster. The extra horsepower also adds undesirable low-speed handling qualities that can get it killed if a 109K pilot puts it in the wrong part of its envelope. I think the K-4 is best only if you consider that in the mindset of chasing down late-war monsters with extra speed. Outside that, while I find all 109s capable, I don't see the K-4 as the best overall.


P.S. The G-14 outclimbs the K-4 in most areas below (say) 8-10K.

[SmokinLoon]

Okay, first off: "Vastly"???? Try "Marginally".... G-2 has a radius of 636 ft, G-6 has 648 ft.

Secondly: The K-4 isn't really the benchmark. It has a nice sustained climb, but in a combat situation you're not sitting on autopilot. You have zooms, you hang nose-high below best climb speed, etc. The 109K4 isn't nearly as much a UFO as half a dozen other planes in the game, several of them having "Spit" in their name. It is by no means an unstoppable monster. The extra horsepower also adds undesirable low-speed handling qualities that can get it killed if a 109K pilot puts it in the wrong part of its envelope. I think the K-4 is best only if you consider that in the mindset of chasing down late-war monsters with extra speed. Outside that, while I find all 109s capable, I don't see the K-4 as the best overall.


P.S. The G-14 outclimbs the K-4 in most areas below (say) 8-10K.

I'm with Krusty on this one... the K-4 has fewer tricks in its bag than the G2 or G14.  The raw speed ability of the K-4 is what sets it apart from other 109's.  It is best used as interceptor, imo. 

The F4 and G2 are often over-looked.  Both are very capable dog fighters, the thing being the lack of firepower for the quick snap shots is lacking.  The F4/G2 need more time on target, so to speak, to get the desired results.  The German 20mm is nearly %12-15 less effective than the Hispanos most players are used to per gun, and most players are used to at least dual 20mm not just one.  The pair of 8mm MG's are hardly worth mentioning, but they are there to use with plenty of ammo to spare.  The differences between the F4 and G2 are as subtle (on paper) as the Spit8 and Spit9, one has slightly more speed and the other has slightly better turn capabilities.  The F4 is also a very stable platform to fly and is far less quirky than the G2.         

The other thing to make mention of when comparing the 109's is to pay attention to the speed/climb charts.  As Krusty pointed out the G14 loses nothing to the K4 down low in climb rates.  Also, the G2 is second only to the K4 in speed... at 20k ft.  So... read up and learn the 109's.  Very little is absolute with them.