Upgrading the Eny system

[Lusche]

I wonder how many people ever get 20+ perks in a single sortie.  I'm guessing less than one half of one percent of all sorties even end over 10 perks .

Not many.  And this is exactly my point... I don't see the necessity at all to increase the number of perk fighters flying around. And increasing the number of perk points you get will simply do just that.

[Karnak]

I've yet to break the 100 perks in a single flight mark. 

My record is about 78 for a Mossie sortie, no rearms.

[guncrasher]

I suck at this game, I fly ponyd and get one perk for every twenty kills and yet I have enough perks to fly any aircraft any time I want.  problem is not how many perks you get but how stupidly you waste them.


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[Butcher]

I wonder how many people ever get 20+ perks in a single sortie.  I'm guessing less than one half of one percent of all sorties even end over 10 perks.

I generally run into the 30/40 perks per sortie, this is common since my plane of choice is a P38J and C.205 - also the main reason is I generally target lower then 10 eny aircraft (spit16s and la7s are my prime targets as well as P51s if they are lower then me).

I averaged out 5 random c.205 missions I flew last night - and screenshot the perk results:

C202: 6 victories 20.13 perks x 1.01 perk modifier
C205: 7 victories 25.60 perks x 0.87 pm
C205: 6 victories 16.99 perks x 0.80
c205: 7 victories 12.63 perks x 1.10
C205: 3 victories 11.58 perks x 0.89
C205: 14 victories 32.03 perks x 0.97

On Average this is 19.82 perks a run, on an average of 0.94 perk modifier
Now these numbers are just my average results, which would be clearly superior then a newer player, what I am trying to get at is a newer pilot would not come close to these numbers on a daily basis. I would say most likely cut these numbers in half, or even a third to get a closer idea.

While true it would only take 3 sorties for a Tempest with these numbers, problem is a newer pilot would have a tough time even reaching 10 perks a sortie, however It took me years to garnish the skill level to effectively fly and survive (as you need to kill and land to achieve the total perks).

I would say 10 perks if landed, and cut that in third if he dies which leads to hardly any perks for a newer player to really be interested in perk farming.

[Debrody]

I've yet to break the 100 perks in a single flight mark. 

My record is about 78 for a Mossie sortie, no rearms.

82 here in a g6, yet i had to rearm once. Perk multiplyer was like 1.3, got about 5 spixteens, 3 pones, a couple lalas too and some f4us, 12 overall.
Eny system works fine for perks, still many late war monsters out there.
+1 for lusche, make the eny count in the score.

Hey mk-84, vulching does not count. I wasnt vulching in my big run, mostly 1v1s or 2v2s.

[MK-84]

It seems that a new pilot is going to have an exceedingly tough time gaining meaningful perks, which would be rather disappointing when they eventually do get enough for say262 or B29 or Tiger2 and then probably proceed to destroy it first sortie.  I wouldn't consider that "fun" at all. 

     I do like butchers idea of expanding the perk system, I just dont see how an A6M2 at 40eny is comparable to the other 40eny planes for example, but I'd like to see more encouragement to fly a wider variety of planes.

[Lusche]

     I do like butchers idea of expanding the perk system, I just dont see how an A6M2 at 40eny is comparable to the other 40eny planes for example, but I'd like to see more encouragement to fly a wider variety of planes.

We had that kind of encouragement, and it didn't work in that respect at all. Players were not flying less 51's and Spit 16s at large.
It only helps dedicated perk farming.

It seems that a new pilot is going to have an exceedingly tough time gaining meaningful perks, which would be rather disappointing when they eventually do get enough for say262 or B29 or Tiger2 and then probably proceed to destroy it first sortie.  I wouldn't consider that "fun" at all.

And this is exactly how it should be.

[Krusty]

So they do in every country.


Whoa, so many wrong in one sentence it's almost unbeliveable. Maps never reset? War is not won? You can't bomb or jabo towns instead of strats and get perks?   

1) depends on the perk price multiplier if you're outnumbered or not.

2) You misunderstand me. You can't bomb town because 99% of them are already bombed. Not that we knits know what the heck to do with a town that's down. My point was it's not a valid practical target if you want to level bomb. Maps never reset when I"m on or anytime I've heard mention in a long time. I surely haven't noticed any constant influx of 20 perks here, 20 perks there from the map being won. As far as sources to earn perks, HTC has removed many of them and the gameplay dynamics have changed to remove others on top of that. I don't mean milk running, either. There are just far less avenues to "perk farm" (through honest means, naturally) these days, and if you should suddenly lose all your perks you will find it is quite a lot more painful NOW to rebuild that back than it was a couple years ago.

[MK-84]

We had that kind of encouragement, and it didn't work in that respect at all. Players were not flying less 51's and Spit 16s at large.
It only helps dedicated perk farming.

And this is exactly how it should be.

Why should it be that way?  would a new player agree with you?

[Lusche]

Why should it be that way?  would a new player agree with you?

Of course he would not. If you ask him: "Wanna fly a 262 now?" he would say yes.
Which doesn't mean he's right.

Perks have one main role, and a secondary one:

The main reason for them is simply plane availability control. If you give away more perks, there will be more perked planes around. It's as simple as that. And this a question of arena balance.

The second, minor reason is player motivation. AH is one of the very few games without any kind of "level advancement". Perk planes are the one exception to that, the only thing you can really save and work for.
And that's what I refer to (apart from the balancing) when I say "It should not be easy". It should be a goal that's not easy to reach in a short time. I too had to work on my perks for along time for my first 262, and I too wasted the jet on my very first sortie.

[MK-84]

I was thinking more along these lines.

For the typical (if this exists) AH pilot, are perks gained too slowly, too quickly or is it perfect as is.

Is there data that can help with this?

How do we know what the right amount is?

[Lusche]

. Maps never reset when I"m on or anytime I've heard mention in a long time.

And just because you didn't notice it, you can claim it doen't happen?  
That's the typical way it goes in this forum or in game chat just like made up numbers like "99% of all towns..."
And of course the won wars aren't mentioned in the game. It doesn't take long after a won war players start to claim "We (chesspiece) suck, we haven't won a war in years"

  

We had at least 3 won wars in the last seven days.
From june to early september we had on average one map change every two days. Almost all of them due to a won war.

[SmokinLoon]

I think factoring ENY into score may be worth a try

(But I don't expect any wonders from it. The majority doesn't fly for score)

The thing is though, it would definately seperate the score monkeys from the more "talentled" flyers.  Namely, the guys that can fly the 20+ ENY aircraft and land kills consistantly.  The guys who fly the La7's, Spit16's, P51's, F4U's, Tempest's, etc on a regular basis and do everthing they can to not have to work for their victories, will be left behind by the players who fly the F6F's, Spit 9 and 5's, 109G's, P47's, 190's, and P38's.  The aircraft in which can not run away from a fight and those who pilot them will be obviously higher in the rankings.  THe crack shots who wade through a furball and fire a few times and get a kill wont see their names in the ranking system as they are used to.   

I'd like the idea of expanding the ENY scale, AND giving crutch aircraft like the La7, P51D, Spit16, etc, ENY scores of 2 or 3, etc.  Especailly the P51D and Spit16.  For that matter, the GV ENY system needs an update as well.  The Panther needs to be more expensive and the King Tiger not as expensive.  The k/d chart can show that.