Upgrading the Eny system

[Butcher]

After thinking about this quite a bit, I wanted to throw my ideas down for upgrading the Eny system we have. Nothing is wrong with it, however
I would like to expand from 40 eny to possibly 50/60 Eny and the reason being is the mentality of the pilots simply flying P51D's all day will not benefit from it, however someone like myself whose routinely in a 25+ Eny aircraft (the majority of the time) would like to see some aircraft stand out more then others.

Now some of the lower Eny pilots will certainly complain Its not fair that they can't build perks, however like all arguments - I would counter and say "its time to step out of the training wheels and fly something older" - While its true not all of us can simply jump into a high Eny ride and score some victories, but this is where practice has come into play, some will take up a ride one time and say "I only get assists" - then hop right back into something low eny.

I know a few years back was a change in the ENY system, I didn't see much difference in game play back then, I would hope increasing it would give a more expanded idea to some players to fly higher eny rides in order to expand their game play.

This will not effect veterans with mass amount of perks already, instead its more key aimed at beginners to hop out of the easy mode rides and learn to earn perks while having fun with it. Only problem I have concluded in this is simply where to put all the planes on the ENY scale, which
I don't know if HTC ever had any ideas to expand the Eny system any time soon.

Hopefully this makes sense, any ideas or thoughts?

[coombz]

I'd prefer something that stops people simply flying P51-Ds all day, but I can accept that that probably wouldn't be a winning change

[Lusche]

I'd prefer something that stops people simply flying P51-Ds all day, but I can accept that that probably wouldn't be a winning change

I think factoring ENY into score may be worth a try

(But I don't expect any wonders from it. The majority doesn't fly for score)

[Lusche]

After thinking about this quite a bit, I wanted to throw my ideas down for upgrading the Eny system we have. Nothing is wrong with it, however
I would like to expand from 40 eny to possibly 50/60 Eny and the reason being is the mentality of the pilots simply flying P51D's all day will not benefit from it,

We already had that. Until late 2006, the ENY spectrum was that wide (I had my best run ever in terms of perk in a C205 at ENY 40), but the typical late war monsters had been as popular as they had been now.

[Krusty]

After they re-scaled the ENY system I had to cancel my sub for a short while and resubbed again. Ever since it's been almost impossible to make any respectable perks. I fly high ENY planes (ENY 30, etc) and land a number of kills per sortie, and still barely make 5-6 perks a run. Even with plenty of stick time it's very very hard to make perks, even if you win the glory of getting your name in lights. Now that my stick time is cut back significantly, it's flat-out impossible.


Just for example, the planes I like to fly include: 109F4, 109G6, C202, C205, Fw190As, all of which have a decent ENY for perk farming, but the results are the same: It's darned hard to make any perks!


Even WITH a 1.5 perk multiplier in the hangar and landing 4-5 kills in a C2, I still only make single digit perks! It's crazy! There's almost no reward for killing bombers, either. That's another matter altogether, I fear.

[Butcher]

After they re-scaled the ENY system I had to cancel my sub for a short while and resubbed again. Ever since it's been almost impossible to make any respectable perks. I fly high ENY planes (ENY 30, etc) and land a number of kills per sortie, and still barely make 5-6 perks a run. Even with plenty of stick time it's very very hard to make perks, even if you win the glory of getting your name in lights. Now that my stick time is cut back significantly, it's flat-out impossible.


Just for example, the planes I like to fly include: 109F4, 109G6, C202, C205, Fw190As, all of which have a decent ENY for perk farming, but the results are the same: It's darned hard to make any perks!


Even WITH a 1.5 perk multiplier in the hangar and landing 4-5 kills in a C2, I still only make single digit perks! It's crazy! There's almost no reward for killing bombers, either. That's another matter altogether, I fear.

I don't blame you, other day I landed 6 victories in a C.202 and only walked away with 20 perks, the modifer was 1.01 and I feel this is horribly appalling and someone attempting to build perks (a newer player for example) would not be so keen after seeing these numbers.

I did the same in a Hurricane I last night, 5 victories (3 spit16s and 2 A20s) and walked away with only 31 perks, although its not a bad run - however actually getting 3x spit16s is a tough enough task, along with actually having to shoot them down with the weak gun set.

If the Hurri was 60 Eny it would certainly of been worth the run, I would of landed 42 perks with a 1.00 modifier.

Nothing that would throw the game out of balance, however 42 perks would be much more respectable in landing vs 31.

[Karnak]

There are numerous high ENY aircraft that lack nothing for firepower and are not assist generators.  They are usually a bit harder to survive in, but things like the A6M3, C.205, F4F-4, Fw190A-5, Ki-61-I-Tei, La-5FN, Mosquito Mk VI, P-38G, P-40E, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11, P-47D-25 and Yak-9T all have fine or better than fine firepower with which to avoid Assists.

[Lusche]

Appalled by "only 20 perks"? 

I find 20 pretty much respectable. And more importantly, I do not think the perks for a Tempest or a Me 163 should be won in a single sortie, or a Me 262 in four.  The more perks we throw at the players, the less they are worth.

Hmm.. got the idea for another chart: "Most efficient perk farmers 2011". Noted

[Karnak]

Hmm.. got the idea for another chart: "Most efficient perk farmers 2011". Noted

This sounds like the kind of chart that gets ENYs lowered. 

[Chilli]

I believe that ENY could be replaced by another system altogether.  This system would be connected to factories which could limit the availability of aircraft to multiple manned missions. 

Why another system?  The current ENY system intrudes on mission planners in an unannounced fashion.  A mission can be (and has been many times) grounded upon takeoff unknown to the planner until too late.  Also, ENY does not translate into any real world situation that would ground aircraft, and therefore is one of the less than immersive features of the game.  What kind of ball bearring plant or factory would have been destroyed to knock out availability of a P47 M, a La 7, a 190 D9, and a P51 D?

It makes more sense to down a 109 factory with a physical location, and give the affected country the ability to resupply the factories, through a series of supply runs.  None of the 109 models, except for whichever models were known to have the largest production and actual combat time, would be available. Mission planners would be alerted by an announcement from SYSTEM: Manufacturing of BF109 aircraft has stopped at Bishop Messerschmitt plant in Sector 10,10.

[Krusty]

Lusche, in Knit-land, Me262s typically run 200perks or so.

That's a BEST case scenario, where you land a half dozen kills and get 20 perks IF that much. I don't get that many since they redid the system. If you die (because you are flying the lowest plane on the list to perk farm, you are going to be dying a lot) you get half. If you can't get the kills because you die or others steal them, that's even less.

The short of it is you work your butt off and defeat a number of foes successfully in a woefully inferior plane, so you should get a bit more reward than the guys that suidice-run headfirst into a furball, get 1 kill, die, and repeat. Once upon a time I had plenty of perks... Since the new system I've just been unable to make any back and barely hover at 200 or so. Just enough for maybe 1 262 run, that's it. (that's after a long time saving up, too!)

There's no win-the-war bonus anymore. The maps never reset. there's no strats to bomb, the towns get jabo'd or GVd down, nothing to bomb there. Hangars don't offer many perks. Bombers have it worse than fighters! Where I can at least up a 262 I can't even up a B-29 yet.

It really would be nice to have a little more benefit to bombing in a B25 vs a B24, or fighting in a C205 instead of a P47M/P51D

[Lusche]

 Also, ENY does not translate into any real world situation that would ground aircraft, and therefore is one of the less than immersive features of the game.  

It's not meant to reflect any real world situation at all. It's completely a game balance mechanism. It's a handicap for a side with overwhelming numbers. Plane factories would be exactly the opposite. And real world production numbers do not relate to AH gameplay in any way.

[FBCrabby]

+20

[MK-84]

Appalled by "only 20 perks"?  

I find 20 pretty much respectable. And more importantly, I do not think the perks for a Tempest or a Me 163 should be won in a single sortie, or a Me 262 in four.  The more perks we throw at the players, the less they are worth.

Hmm.. got the idea for another chart: "Most efficient perk farmers 2011". Noted

I wonder how many people ever get 20+ perks in a single sortie.  I'm guessing less than one half of one percent of all sorties even end over 10 perks.

[Lusche]

Lusche, in Knit-land, Me262s typically run 200perks or so. ^

So they do in every country.

There's no win-the-war bonus anymore. The maps never reset. there's no strats to bomb, the towns get jabo'd or GVd down, nothing to bomb there.

Whoa, so many wrong in one sentence it's almost unbeliveable. Maps never reset? War is not won? You can't bomb or jabo towns instead of strats and get perks?