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Offline Pigslilspaz

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College Conspiracy
« on: December 02, 2011, 10:32:35 PM »
Very very good, and also informative, entertaining as well. Sort have suspected this myself for a bit. Also makes me happy I'm choosing to join the military after I graduate as well. However, it is a bit on the long side (1 hour+)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE


Hopefully this isn't breaking any rules, since all it is doing for the most part is stating facts.
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 10:41:57 PM »
Not sure if this would be "IN"?
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 10:45:14 PM »
I know  while I was in college, I had a prof that wrote some books, we had to have said  books  and  we ended up never using them. Back then I did  not agree with acing  to take  electives to fill a hours  quote and I still don't.
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 11:30:31 PM »
How about watching the video first. Also, it's all about the PAC12 (Beavers fan here)

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
(Beavers fan here)

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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 11:33:39 PM »
Very very good, and also informative. Sort have suspected this myself for a bit. Also makes me happy I'm choosing to join the military after I graduate as well. However, it is a bit on the long side (1 hour+)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE

Is 1 hour really worth watching or can I skim though it?

BTW so far I completely agree with the 1st 3 minutes.
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 11:39:12 PM »
There is a good amount of repeating of stuff, but almost everything in it is a point worth acknowledging. Skimming through is still beneficial. I wish I could get my hands on the source list for their research though, always good to have supplemental reading, especially since it is directly pertaining to what I am doing right now.

Also, all the stuff involving college is in and around the first 30-35 minutes. The rest is basically stuff that the group (NIA) constantly says
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 12:13:05 AM »
Lets see, I...
  • went to college
  • Graduated with a Job already lined up
  • Started off making above the average salary for the United States

I am satisfied with my decision.

Pretty biased "documentary" leaving out lots of information. But what do I know? I only look statistics and surveys every day and can tell when something is misleading.

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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 12:15:32 AM »
Lets see, I...
  • went to college
  • Graduated with a Job already lined up
  • Started off making above the average salary for the United States

I am satisfied with my decision.

Pretty biased "documentary" leaving out lots of information. But what do I know? I only look statistics and surveys every day and can tell when something is misleading.

What is considered to be an average salary?
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 12:24:02 AM »
What is considered to be an average salary?
By this I am assuming you mean what is the national average?

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html

"Latest index
The national average wage index for 2010 is 41,673.83. The index is 2.36 percent higher than the index for 2009."

You can look at several factors as with any statistic. Cost of living adjustments, benefit adjustments, etc.


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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 12:26:11 AM »
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html

"Latest index
The national average wage index for 2010 is 41,673.83. The index is 2.36 percent higher than the index for 2009."

You can look at several factors as with any statistic. Cost of living adjustments, benefit adjustments, etc.

I expect it to be a bit higher, in the 45K range.

Interesting chart, it really shows the inflation for the past 50 years.
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 12:28:44 AM »
I expect it to be a bit higher, in the 45K range.

Interesting chart, it really shows the inflation for the past 50 years.
There are cost of living adjustments which are typically done by state or region. For Arizona it could very well be 45k, where as Alabama it may be 35k.

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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 11:22:05 AM »
Whether or not that higher learning institutions are in it for profit, the fact remains that society now demands a higher education. While some people (in this video) don't believe that, go onto any corporate website and look at job requirements...you will find that nearly all jobs that make over $30,000 require at least an associates degree or higher.

When you go to Stanford or Oxford to earn your teaching degree you are almost guaranteeing that you will be in debt for life. It is not the fact that going to college is a debt making ordeal, you HAVE to look at what you want to study, where the most cost effective school for it is, and how much you can realistically expect to make in that job field. If you spend $100,000 on a teaching degree or learning how to be a pilot, we all know that those are low income jobs (starting pilots), you are basically taking a gamble that you will never be able to pay that off.

I had a similar situation a year ago, I just graduated from a community college with associates in business admin. I wanted to go to Embry-Riddle at Daytona Beach to be an ATC, the cost for 2 years of that was around $110,000 which is a lot of money. However if you look at the pay grades for ATC you can see how that is more of an investment than a gamble. Well of course I found out that I can not pass the eye color vision exam from the FAA I had to give up on that dream, seeing as paying $100,000 for any other degree was more of a gamble than an investment.

I found out that Embry-Riddle had a world wide campus here in Houston and that is only cost 1/4 the price of the main Campus in Daytona Beach. The same degree program that would cost $100,000 only costs $25,000 at the world wide campus...the SAME degree program. So now I have one more year left at Riddle with a BS in Professional Aeronautics with a Minor in Airport Management and Operations. But that is not all, I knew Houston is one of the best cities in the country for jobs...just a month ago I got hired into a company called Universal Weather and Aviation as a full time employee in the Airport Data Management department. Now a month later I am already being trained for another position for Permits and Regulations.

The moral of MY story is that you CANNOT just go off to college, you have to be smart in what you want to study, realistic outlooks in the career field of your study, most cost effective school for your career and study, and strategically geographically positioning yourself for the best opportunity for success. 


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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 11:43:11 AM »
any chance you cold break it down a bit? cant be bothered to watch a whole hour of youtube ...
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Re: College Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 11:43:53 AM »
I'm in college and enjoying it immensely; there is also no way I would be able to go into any of the fields I'm interested in without a good education.

College isn't an insta-win button, it all depends on what job you want and whether you're smart in the way you seek it.
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