For the x65 to be good in aces high you have to go to the offline arena (ok hair splitters you can go to any arena really but this is an example) and do several dives in a plane you use alot onto some of the drones. Find the max pressure it takes for you to get a good pull on the stick without drilling it into the ground or another plane. Then times that number in pressure by 2. Then leave it alone. You want to be set in the middle of your max pull that you are comfortable with. Once I got used to mine I loved it. Once it broke and Saitek wouldn't honor the warranty I decided they get no more money from me.
The ch is cool but the buttons and trigger are all buttons veeeeery accurate stick though.
The warthog to me is new, I just got mine a couple days before christmas. I will never buy another plastic stick again, they are the paper towels of the hobby. I will cry if my warthog breaks.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325817.0.html <----- read this for more on the x65