IL-2 and Shorter GV Icons

[Krupinski]

Discuss.

The IL2s roll was to spot and engage ground targets and vehicles. Should its spotting range be 600yds, or should it be granted the 1250yd extension?


Sorry if this is the wrong section, but I figured this would get more views here.

[Krupinski]

A common rebuttle is going to be: "But that's what spotter aircraft were for, to guide the IL2s"

I agree with you but think about it, the IL2 and Storch are in similar categories, they are both devoted to air to ground based operations.

[Tilt]

Il2's were directed against and to targets they were not battle field reconnaissance they were battle field weapons. (yup just what you said)

However AH2 does not model the most effective weapon in the IL2's ordnance set... being the PTAB hollow charge cluster bomb 4 cassettes each carrying 48 of these things. Each bomb able to penetrate 60mm of armour.

The 37mm was comparatively rare beside these little beauties with which the IL2 would shine in AH.

Whether 600 is reasonable or not I am not sure yet and I would have thought that if it is not workable HTC will increase it.

[lyric1]

However AH2 does not model the most effective weapon in the IL2's ordnance set... being the PTAB hollow charge cluster bomb 4 cassettes each carrying 48 of these things. Each bomb able to penetrate 60mm of armour.

The 37mm was comparatively rare beside these little beauties with which the IL2 would shine in AH.

[DrBone1]

What about the Hurri2D? 

[SmokinLoon]

The IL-2 was not designed as a scout/spotter plane.  It was designed as a direct support attack aircraft.  I'd be willing to bet the Soviets send out out ahead "spotter" aircraft for the IL-2's, or sent a wave of infantry to find the enemy positions. 

The IL-2 deserves no more advantage in spotting enemy gv's than the B29.

I knew a thread like this was bound to happen sooner than later.    

[wil3ur]

What about the Hurri2D? 

...Or the Stukka?!

[Krupinski]

The IL-2 was not designed as a scout/spotter plane.  It was designed as a direct support attack aircraft.  I'd be willing to bet the Soviets send out out ahead "spotter" aircraft for the IL-2's, or sent a wave of infantry to find the enemy positions. 

The IL-2 deserves no more advantage in spotting enemy gv's than the B29.

I knew a thread like this was bound to happen sooner than later.    

You make it sound like it's not a reasonable discussion?

[Trukk]

Only recce aircraft should get the vis range bonus.

[colmbo]

The IL-2 deserves no more advantage in spotting enemy gv's than the B29.

There should be no icon range advantage for ANY aircraft, regardless of it's intended missioin/use/etc.  The difficulties of spotting something from the air apply to all aircraft.  You mitigate those issues by flying slower and lower -- the Storch will already be doing that -- no reason for it to have a longer GV icon spotting range.

[Karnak]

There should be no icon range advantage for ANY aircraft, regardless of it's intended missioin/use/etc.  The difficulties of spotting something from the air apply to all aircraft.  You mitigate those issues by flying slower and lower -- the Storch will already be doing that -- no reason for it to have a longer GV icon spotting range.

So, you think that even the Storch should have a 600 yard icon range?  Do you know what a Whirblewind will do to a Storch that gets that close to it?

[The Fugitive]

I always thought that the IL2 could kill tanks far to easily. I'm fine with it being hard to spot GVs in it. I'm pretty much fine with anything that makes people learn a skill and play. I'm tired of all the "short cuts" can't battle it out with a tank with another tank? No problem up an IL2 and pound the tank which can't really defend it's self from an air attack unless they have a buddy in a whirble. Better yet fly in in a heavy buff formation at 3k and carpet bomb a GV fight!

[W7LPNRICK]

bomb****ing moving tanks will nearly be a thing of the past.... no one can get on target at 600, you'll already have to know where he is. 

[Lusche]

no one can get on target at 600, you'll already have to know where he is. 

... and for that, you often don't need an icon at all. Tanks caught moving in the open will still be bomb magnets and have a short life span, though maybe a little longer than today. But tanks hiding from planes will be much more difficult to spot (short icon ranges and loss of icon when under trees/in barns). If that really happens, it seems more "realistic" to me in the end.

At best, more cooperation between tankbusters, spotters and units on the ground will be required. If that would happen, it would be great. But we really have to wait how it all plays out. So give the changes one or two weeks to settle down...

[lyric1]

There should be no icon range advantage for ANY aircraft, regardless of it's intended missioin/use/etc.  The difficulties of spotting something from the air apply to all aircraft.  You mitigate those issues by flying slower and lower -- the Storch will already be doing that -- no reason for it to have a longer GV icon spotting range.

Interesting point here you have made.