Midwar player numbers and mass deffection from Bish to Nit

[ImADot]

I'm more of a defender than a base-taker, and have stopped a few base-take attempts from guys that like to fly together in groups and fight toolsheds. Once they realize someone is around, they usually move somewhere else - usually to the side I just came from.  Sad, really...they enjoy killing ack at an empty base more than fighting human players.

So my choice is two fights in one arena, then go find one fight in another...or get ganged by mega-hordes flying their uber LW hotrod planes that spray their seemingly unlimited ammo starting at 1k out as they fly straight for my nose.

Yep, been playing lots of Skyrim lately...

[CAP1]

You know Grumpy it was not that long ago when the bish had the upper hand in MW. Not a lot of bish whining at that point best I remember.

My experience in MW is that there is a core group of squads and individuals that you can count on being there on a regular basis. The rivalry between these groups is what makes MW fun for me.

But as far as your original point it would be great if the numbers increased, rooks in particular could use some help.

 it's been awhile. i used to be in one of the squads that's rolling bases........and it's been about 2 years since i left that squad.

[CAP1]

As long as you get any, I would still be happy... kinda

 When they start to attack the other country just because a single player shows up to defend, it's over.

 normally i would say that.....but when you're rusty, drop into a 10-1, you don't last much more than about 1 or 2 turns. even not being rusty, you'll be lucky to last more than 2 turns. if you try to linger out a little, hoping 1 or 2 will come out to fight, you may get that.....then the other 8 come join the fray.

 much as i hate to say it, grumpy's right about the arena going downhill. fast.

[SlipKnt]

Grumpy - It would be a shame if you left.  For about a year, many of us left MW and flew LW.  I learned a lot in there.  Now I spend about an even amount of time in both arenas.  

As far as numbers, I have seen Bish with more numbers than the other two sides combined, yet, Bish & Rook fighting only Knights.  Eventually, many Bish log off and Knights are still there.  I admit, you will more than likely see more Knights on most of the time.  But, it is their $15 a month.  It is what it is unfortunately.

Taking 4 sets of lancs for a V-Base...   ...just tactics.  It is done in by the other sides as well as in LW too.  Lucky be the guy (or gal) that finds themselves slightly higher when they arrive.  It is very easy to point out fault of the other side, but all sides do it as well.  With or without numbers.  It just sucks when it is happening to me (hehehe).

I normally don't respond to threads like this but I wanted to chime in on this one to voice concern.  Remove the whines and personal frustrations (feelings) that are evident in this post, and you have a valid point.  This past month I switched once.  Considering doing it more often.  ENY sucks!  

I am glad you posted this Grumpy and I really hope the sides balance out once again.  I hope you reconsider cancelling your account.  This game has so much more to offer than just MW.  I know you know that.  In all honesty, the first step in stopping the frustration, is simply squelching all channel and detuning channel 200.  I find it pleasurable not watching some of the comments I see being slung around in there.  

I hope you stay, Brother!

 

[grumpy37]

it's been awhile. i used to be in one of the squads that's rolling bases........and it's been about 2 years since i left that squad.

Come fly with me!!! im trying to get people together.  I dont want to leave the game but there just isnt much to keep me around anymore to be honest.  I have the next 2 weeks off so im gonna try and get some together, if it doesnt work im affraid my days here may be over, not that anyone really cares  lol  and im not trying to get the "oh grumpy please stay we love you comments"  LOL    

[Lusche]

That's why I added "kinda", for most players this isn't an option at all.

An arena with such low numbers calls for a very different behaviour or settings to make it work. What is no real problem on a higher level on LW can quickly wreck a minor arena.

[CAP1]

CAP!!!!!!!!  where have you been man, long time no see.  Its not even 2 squads at this point.  A lot have left bish for nit because of a certain player and I have no problem saying TonyJoeys name at this point.  Ive played that arena for years and have seen a steady decline over the last 3 or so.  Almost every one the leaves points the finger at him.  I think its an excuse myself, he gets on my nerves to but im not in his squad so he cant say much to me.  Even if he did why let 1 guy yelling at everyone make me switch sides and further unbalance the game.  Ive offered this before and I will offer it again, anyone tired of the yelling and screaming is more then welcome to join me.  I wont tolerate it period.  

 I miss the old days in AVA cap, have they brought back the no icon settings yet?

 during the summer, the timelords were conspiring against me. the couple times i could get in, i found nothing worth staying logged in for, as i'm not into getting gang raped.
 the 2 squads i referenced are both knight squads. it's nearly impossible to resist against them, as no one will help, and they swarm.

 ava is running short icons right now, which isn't half bad. i had some fun in there before christmas, although i'd still prefer to have no icons at all.

[grumpy37]

Grumpy - It would be a shame if you left.  For about a year, many of us left MW and flew LW.  I learned a lot in there.  Now I spend about an even amount of time in both arenas.  

As far as numbers, I have seen Bish with more numbers than the other two sides combined, yet, Bish & Rook fighting only Knights.  Eventually, many Bish log off and Knights are still there.  I admit, you will more than likely see more Knights on most of the time.  But, it is their $15 a month.  It is what it is unfortunately.

Taking 4 sets of lancs for a V-Base...   ...just tactics.  It is done in by the other sides as well as in LW too.  Lucky be the guy (or gal) that finds themselves slightly higher when they arrive.  It is very easy to point out fault of the other side, but all sides do it as well.  With or without numbers.  It just sucks when it is happening to me (hehehe).

I normally don't respond to threads like this but I wanted to chime in on this one to voice concern.  Remove the whines and personal frustrations (feelings) that are evident in this post, and you have a valid point.  This past month I switched once.  Considering doing it more often.  ENY sucks!  

I am glad you posted this Grumpy and I really hope the sides balance out once again.  I hope you reconsider cancelling your account.  This game has so much more to offer than just MW.  I know you know that.  In all honesty, the first step in stopping the frustrating, is simply squelching all channel and detuning channel 200.  I find it pleasurable not watching come of the comments I see being slung around in there.  

I hope you stay, Brother!

 

I understand the tactics end of leveling a base for capture if the numbers make it needed but why level it when only 1 or 2 can defend against 10 or more?  I guess thats just my point of view, it really takes the fun and challenge out of it. Id rather fight for 3 hours taking a vbase with hangers up against a few defenders then take away their only way to defend and snatch it quickly.  Guess im just a different type of player.

[grumpy37]

That's why I added "kinda", for most players this isn't an option at all.

An arena with such low numbers calls for a very different behaviour or settings to make it work. What is no real problem on a higher level on LW can quickly wreck a minor arena.

This is what the majority of posters dont understand because most of them dont even go into the MW arena, it does need its own settings.  At this point either an autobalance system or a 2 front war in my opinion would be the best alternative but then people will say its just another AvA arena.  I wouldnt agree though since the MW planset would be available to both sides.  Ive noticed that as soon as the numbers even out and no more steam rolling of basses can take place a good number of the steam rollers log off, im guessing because they have forgoten how to fight against an actually enemy and just leave. 

[SlipKnt]

You are right!  It is more fun if you leave the hangers up.  And I will be the first to admit that you are an excellent defender and fighter.  You are no slouch!  Sometimes, it seems that when the goon is vis on town, and then dies, you usually see "Grumpy shot you down".  After that happens a few times, you usually hear, "we need to drop the hangers".  LOL

Unfortunately, there is a guy or two that sort of takes charge (so to speak) on a VOX in MW and the rolling begins.  For many in MW, it seems the common goal is to win the map.  Others jump on board and spend the better part of a day trying to reach that goal.  I think it is just the circumstances.

You mentioned that you fly Bish in MW.  How willing are you to switch over to Rook?  I know a group of guys considering doing this to balance things out a bit.  As AKP mentioned, it isn't fun logging on, and flying that way.  It gets boreing and annoying.  And, believe it or not, get too many guys on the same VOX that don't know how to use comms, you get upwards of a 30 second lag.  By the time you get a check 6 call, you are already in a hanger looking for another bird with ENY issues.

I'd wing up with you any day.  

And for the record, I agree with your post.  Not that MW is going downhill, but that it would be cool if more guys came in from the MAs and started hammering it out in there.

[Shuffler]

You know Grumpy it was not that long ago when the bish had the upper hand in MW. Not a lot of bish whining at that point best I remember.

My experience in MW is that there is a core group of squads and individuals that you can count on being there on a regular basis. The rivalry between these groups is what makes MW fun for me.

But as far as your original point it would be great if the numbers increased, rooks in particular could use some help.

Rivalry?? Oh you must mean which group can capture the most undefended bases. The groups you speak of are all on knits.

Bish have had the upper hand in the past. Was no different then. Pointing a finger at someone and saying he jumped off the cliff too does not improve your stance.   

[Slash27]

No. I have preached about it to those who do not try to balance the sides. I have told them what will happen. It was well on it's way and is about done now.

When you see 15 knit against 2 bish and no rooks it pretty much paints the picture for you. To top it off the 2 bish make a stand, the mass of knits will go attack the rook side that has no one on.

I all but stopped going in there. Most of the folks in there do not care about the game. They are in there to farm perks. Many will tell you just that.

MW used to have 60 people in it. It has the best planeset in the game. (IMHO) RIP MW.

Pretty much sums it up. Last time I was in there I upped against some GV milkers at 6 to 1 odds in a Tiger. I was chastised for not fighting fair and was informed as to how skilless I was. Bunch of meanies.

[WWhiskey]

I relish defending in mid war !! I love it when I'm on the low number side and get to defend a v base!!
The problem with midwar is not just any one thing tho, for starters the players that play there are always the same 20 or 30 players, after a while everyone figures out who is better and who is the easy kill, if shuffled shows up on the enemy side you know exactly what to expect. Check 6 high 38.  Or Xtiger. Check the B-25 tail gunner,  this gets old!
Also as one side gets handed its hat over and over, players change sides to be on the winning side and why not? Nobody wants to lose all the time.
I have started switching sides in every arena except MW  but plan on doing so there in the future, I don't want to fight my former squadmates tho. So I will switch to rook and fight bish or bish to fight rook  I just don't like to kill knights!    I'm not sorry that I have loyalty to my friends !! They are a great bunch of guys!!!

I do think MW should be. 2 side arena for at least a short test period , say one tour,  with a thirty minute side switch,    If it flops it won't be hard to change back!

[flatiron1]

Rivalry?? Oh you must mean which group can capture the most undefended bases. The groups you speak of are all on knits.

No I mean killing Flying Furies and Unforgiven.

[Shuffler]

Pretty much sums it up. Last time I was in there I upped against some GV milkers at 6 to 1 odds in a Tiger. I was chastised for not fighting fair and was informed as to how skilless I was. Bunch of meanies.