Midwar player numbers and mass deffection from Bish to Nit

[AKP]

I relish defending in mid war !! I love it when I'm on the low number side and get to defend a v base!!
The problem with midwar is not just any one thing tho, for starters the players that play there are always the same 20 or 30 players, after a while everyone figures out who is better and who is the easy kill, if shuffled shows up on the enemy side you know exactly what to expect. Check 6 high 38.  Or Xtiger. Check the B-25 tail gunner,  this gets old!
Also as one side gets handed its hat over and over, players change sides to be on the winning side and why not? Nobody wants to lose all the time.
I have started switching sides in every arena except MW  but plan on doing so there in the future, I don't want to fight my former squadmates tho. So I will switch to rook and fight bish or bish to fight rook  I just don't like to kill knights!    I'm not sorry that I have loyalty to my friends !! They are a great bunch of guys!!!

I do think MW should be. 2 side arena for at least a short test period , say one tour,  with a thirty minute side switch,    If it flops it won't be hard to change back!

  WWhiskey!  Good points... and we are considering doing the same thing in MW now too.  I dont mind if you shoot at me  

[CAP1]

You are right!  It is more fun if you leave the hangers up.  And I will be the first to admit that you are an excellent defender and fighter.  You are no slouch!  Sometimes, it seems that when the goon is vis on town, and then dies, you usually see "Grumpy shot you down".  After that happens a few times, you usually hear, "we need to drop the hangers".  LOL

Unfortunately, there is a guy or two that sort of takes charge (so to speak) on a VOX in MW and the rolling begins.  For many in MW, it seems the common goal is to win the map.  Others jump on board and spend the better part of a day trying to reach that goal.  I think it is just the circumstances.

You mentioned that you fly Bish in MW.  How willing are you to switch over to Rook?  I know a group of guys considering doing this to balance things out a bit.  As AKP mentioned, it isn't fun logging on, and flying that way.  It gets boreing and annoying.  And, believe it or not, get too many guys on the same VOX that don't know how to use comms, you get upwards of a 30 second lag.  By the time you get a check 6 call, you are already in a hanger looking for another bird with ENY issues.

I'd wing up with you any day.  

And for the record, I agree with your post.  Not that MW is going downhill, but that it would be cool if more guys came in from the MAs and started hammering it out in there.

 my last time in mw, you were with the bunch flying from the cv trying to drop a base. i kinda snuck up on ya. whoever was winging with you "egressed" towards the cv(which was just off the coast) as soon as you were gone.
 immediately after i got you, there were no less than 6 enemy cons coming from that cv into a base defended by 2. at that point, i believe there were only 2 of us on, and about 12 knights. you shoulda switched. there'd have been more targets(unless you count the buildings)

 the time limit on switching makes it hard too, as i've switched to find a fight, and no sooner is there some resistance shown, than the rolling moves to the other side of the map.

[Yeager]

Ive been back in there for the past few days.  Ive enjoyed myself.  Grumpy is always, well.........grumpy.

[Max]

rooks in particular could use some help.

Which is the reason I fly MW Rooks 98% of the time.

It strikes me a bit funny that the once prominant Bish players/squads squeal about unfair the present inbalance now in favor of Nits. Flip side of the coin, the Nits, who griped about Bish hordes now mimic the same foolish tactics.

You want good, balanced fights? Join the underdogs.

[Shuffler]

Which is the reason I fly MW Rooks 98% of the time.

It strikes me a bit funny that the once prominant Bish players/squads squeal about unfair the present inbalance now in favor of Nits. Flip side of the coin, the Nits, who griped about Bish hordes now mimic the same foolish tactics.

You want good, balanced fights? Join the underdogs.

Most wont change sides in MW. No idea what the mindset is that keeps them from trying to improve game play.

[PAKFRONT]

I remember playin Rook in Midwar, when Rooks ruled the Roost there, everything comes and goes. Loved Midwar, because we often had rip roarin fights without the mega numbers of players in latewar. With lower numbers, every player counts, has to be able to hold his end up, pull it out in the clutch, play their part, or ya get clobbered. So many times in MW it comes down to the one guy, hangin by a thread, that pulls a good move, at the critical moment, (or blows it). And that decides the battle! That is what always attracted me about MW!

Be back soon. Good to see lots of the old names still here. Don't leave grump, gotta kill me some more!

PAK

[Shuffler]

snip........., if shuffled shows up on the enemy side you know exactly what to expect. Check 6 high 38.  Or Xtiger. Check the B-25 tail gunner,  this gets old! .....snip

Well tell your team mates to quit climbing so I don't have to climb to them   

Much rather not waste time climbing. That is why a base being attacked by a cv is so appealing. Take off, fight, die...... rinse and repeat. No climb required.

[Oldman731]

I miss AvA. But I cannot fight there without icons.

Icons are back on in AvA, Sparow.  They're a bit shorter than those in the MA, but they work just fine.

Two things AvA does not have that avoid the problems this thread describes about the MW:

- No way to win the map.  You get no reward for taking bases.

- No perks awarded, and even if there were, there's no way to take them with you to other arenas.

Because there are no rewards for map-taking or perk-farming there's only one thing left to do in the arena, and that's to fight other people.  While this sounds appealing (or at least it does to me), it has turned out to be one of the reasons so many people avoid the AvA.  There are no "goals," no rewards for "teamwork," no Grand Strategy.  I imagine HTC could make MW, EW or any other arena the same, and you would still end up with arenas that had limited appeal.

- oldman

[CAP1]

Icons are back on in AvA, Sparow.  They're a bit shorter than those in the MA, but they work just fine.

Two things AvA does not have that avoid the problems this thread describes about the MW:

- No way to win the map.  You get no reward for taking bases.

- No perks awarded, and even if there were, there's no way to take them with you to other arenas.

Because there are no rewards for map-taking or perk-farming there's only one thing left to do in the arena, and that's to fight other people.  While this sounds appealing (or at least it does to me), it has turned out to be one of the reasons so many people avoid the AvA.  There are no "goals," no rewards for "teamwork," no Grand Strategy.  I imagine HTC could make MW, EW or any other arena the same, and you would still end up with arenas that had limited appeal.

- oldman

 htere are rewards for teamwork. with the short or no icons, teamwork is necessary to survive a fight. survival is a reward. 

[grumpy37]

htere are rewards for teamwork. with the short or no icons, teamwork is necessary to survive a fight. survival is a reward. 

Exactly how i felt about the arena when there were no icons. 

[TinmanX]

No I mean killing Flying Furies and Unforgiven.

Just for the record, The Unforgiven always go to the side with the lowest numbers in MW. Always. I've posted here about Midwar before with screenshots of when we were told that by balancing the sides we were ruining the game. We've been told to switch to high numbers or leave because we were ruining Bish's WINTEHWARZ by fighting them. We've had Bish shades grief track us across the map and be quite aggressively spoken to on privatly tuned vox for defending a base - that's right, a guy tuned and told me he would come around my house and beat me up for defending a Vbase.

This is why MW is dying - not because people are switching sides but because certain people in the arena, (I won't mention that it's Tony Joey's squad of shade accounting scum that's doing it, I won't, I promise) believe it is their right to win the map. They actually believe they own the arena. Go in there and do different for a few weeks and see how they speak to you.

[AKP]

Just for the record, The Unforgiven always go to the side with the lowest numbers in MW. Always. I've posted here about Midwar before with screenshots of when we were told that by balancing the sides we were ruining the game. We've been told to switch to high numbers or leave because we were ruining Bish's WINTEHWARZ by fighting them. We've had Bish shades grief track us across the map and be quite aggressively spoken to on privatly tuned vox for defending a base - that's right, a guy tuned and told me he would come around my house and beat me up for defending a Vbase.

This is why MW is dying - not because people are switching sides but because certain people in the arena, (I won't mention that it's Tony Joey's squad of shade accounting scum that's doing it, I won't, I promise) believe it is their right to win the map. They actually believe they own the arena. Go in there and do different for a few weeks and see how they speak to you.

This... sad but true.

[CAP1]

Exactly how i felt about the arena when there were no icons. 

 only problem is there is no survival against you. 

[CAP1]

Just for the record, The Unforgiven always go to the side with the lowest numbers in MW. Always. I've posted here about Midwar before with screenshots of when we were told that by balancing the sides we were ruining the game. We've been told to switch to high numbers or leave because we were ruining Bish's WINTEHWARZ by fighting them. We've had Bish shades grief track us across the map and be quite aggressively spoken to on privatly tuned vox for defending a base - that's right, a guy tuned and told me he would come around my house and beat me up for defending a Vbase.

This is why MW is dying - not because people are switching sides but because certain people in the arena, (I won't mention that it's Tony Joey's squad of shade accounting scum that's doing it, I won't, I promise) believe it is their right to win the map. They actually believe they own the arena. Go in there and do different for a few weeks and see how they speak to you.

 actually i almost ALWAYS see knights doing the "winthewarz" thing. i can name the squads if ya'll want. i used to be part of one of them, and never saw a single member on another country. i switch to whatever side is low numbers. then when the hordes go to the other side of the map, i either log, or fly buffs till my time's up and i can switch again.

 not to hijack....but this brings to point....the time to side-switch needs to go away.

[grumpy37]

Just for the record, The Unforgiven always go to the side with the lowest numbers in MW. Always. I've posted here about Midwar before with screenshots of when we were told that by balancing the sides we were ruining the game. We've been told to switch to high numbers or leave because we were ruining Bish's WINTEHWARZ by fighting them. We've had Bish shades grief track us across the map and be quite aggressively spoken to on privatly tuned vox for defending a base - that's right, a guy tuned and told me he would come around my house and beat me up for defending a Vbase.

This is why MW is dying - not because people are switching sides but because certain people in the arena, (I won't mention that it's Tony Joey's squad of shade accounting scum that's doing it, I won't, I promise) believe it is their right to win the map. They actually believe they own the arena. Go in there and do different for a few weeks and see how they speak to you.

Take tony out and they are actually a good group of guys.  Im not sure any of them actually have a shade account except for tony.  I dont play as much anymore so things may have changed though.  They by no means feel they own the map or its their right to win the map.  We are all just looking for a fun fighting arena thats fairly balanced as far as numbers are concerned.