ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...

[Tyrannis]

Did you participate in the 'Der Grosse Schlag' event? Indeed this game has the "massive bomber hordes of WWII" ... maybe you just haven't seen it yet?

If all you want to do is play in the MA, then please do but don't cram your way of playing the game down anyone else's throat. It's not all about MA gameplay, in FSO and historical events this sure has a role to play. Additionally the 262 armed with Mk108s is a very difficult combination which very few players can command with any success at all. Also consider that if the Mk214 is added as a option, those rounds can be avoided as you see them coming from 2k out, just alter heading or altitude. There are so many gamey aspects to bomber flying currently in the game than I care to mention, and there are some gamey aspects to fighters too... but this is a GAME. If you can't get over that fact, what are you even doing here?

I've not seen any valid arguments brought up against the Mk214 or the R4M yet, all I see is a bunch of whiners who want no changes made. Well my guess is that HTC does want to develop their game, adding armament options to the 262 is one way to do this.

This is where your wrong. If you wish for them in FSO, or Scenarios, then have them there, But dont bring them to the MA. there is no reason too. No giant call for them. Other than people wanting rockets on 262s to make flying a jet in a prop-dominated Arena even easier.

No, A valid reason to keep them out of the MA is that we dont have Bomber Hordes which call for the need of these rockets. Your in a 262, you have 4 30mms. You can go faster than anything else in the game except the 163. You under no circumstance need R4M rockets in the MA at this time. Other than you just wanting a new shiny toy for your jet.


Also, I like how you say the opposition are "whiners", then you whine about HTC not wanting to "develop their game". They probably see how unbalanced r4m rockets would become against such a small bomber force.

How often do you get "sniped" by a 110's  or a 190's rockets?  What makes you think the Me262's would be so much better?

Alot actually, Ive had b25s taken out by a 190. Granted he got within 800yrds of firing.  I have no one to blame but myself for getting killed. He was within defencive fire range and my accuracy didnt bring him down in time.


Also, Have you met fishpot? Find him in the DA sometime. He's particularly skilled with the 110's rockets. Ive taken a few from him.

[VonMessa]

[33Vortex]

I really don't see what you go on about, and do not understand how you can percieve what I said as "whine about HTC not wanting to develop their game". Seems to me the picture above describe your predicament well. You Sir need to update your logic.

Is HTC not working on a upgrade so that weapon packages can be perked? I think I read about it here somewhere. If so dealing with the issues you bring up, imaginary or not, will be easy. I do not believe HTC would bring such a upgrade into the game if they did not have something in mind.

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[Tyrannis]

I really don't see what you go on about, and do not understand how you can percieve what I said as "whine about HTC not wanting to develop their game". Seems to me the picture above describe your predicament well. You Sir need to update your logic.

Is HTC not working on a upgrade so that weapon packages can be perked? I think I read about it here somewhere. If so dealing with the issues you bring up, imaginary or not, will be easy. I do not believe HTC would bring such a upgrade into the game if they did not have something in mind.

You just dont seem to be able to comprehend my logic.


Buff hordes in the MA are not at all big enough to warrent giving the 262 R4M rockets. scenarios? maybe. other events? maybe. but in the MA? no. there is simply no need for them to be there.

[wil3ur]

You just dont seem to be able to comprehend my logic.


Buff hordes in the MA are not at all big enough to warrent giving the 262 R4M rockets. scenarios? maybe. other events? maybe. but in the MA? no. there is simply no need for them to be there.

By that logic, buff runs aren't long enough to warrent having a P51 in the game... 

[VonMessa]

By that logic, buff runs aren't long enough to warrent having a P51 in the game... 

Lol, you beat me to it...

[Tyrannis]

By that logic, buff runs aren't long enough to warrent having a P51 in the game... 

And the problem with your logic, Is that the p51 was not solely an escort fighter.

[wil3ur]

And the problem with your logic, Is that the p51 was not solely an escort fighter.

I know you are but what am I?

[VonMessa]

I know you are but what am I?

If you don't leave him alone, you won't be able to watch pony cartoons and be in their circle-jerk any more.

[Raphael]

just perk the darn loadout, a pricy perk to use them wockets

[FLOTSOM]

You just dont seem to be able to comprehend my logic.


Buff hordes in the MA are not at all big enough to warrent giving the 262 R4M rockets. scenarios? maybe. other events? maybe. but in the MA? no. there is simply no need for them to be there.

you keep saying that bomber hordes are not big enough to justify this counter measure in the ma's. well I'm here to tell you you are incorrect in that assessment.

just a few night ago there was a rolling fight between a couple of bases, unfortunately for the horde (over 40 fighters) 10 Muppet's a few pigs and some other familiar names were on the anti horde side. well the response that we received was almost an immediate counter attack of 10 or more bomber jockeys with 3 planes each flying in at nose bleed alt and all concentrating on dropping all hangers at 1 air base. this was not even followed up by a base take attempt, it was just a "lets be a *&%$ and destroy the hangers so we can show those guys who keep killing us" type of move.

this is not the first time that Muppet (or other well named fighter squads) presence has received this type of immediate childish response from the losing side of a fight. this is also not the only time that i have seen mega hordes of bombers with additional support from heavy jabo's and fighter escorts attack an entire area of the map.

your logic and argument against the addition is not realistic to the type of horde mentality that has become so prevalent within the ma lately. if the 262 had rocket capabilities then i see no off set or unbalance that giving it the capability in the game would have.

hell show me one recorded instance in which the Norden bomb sight allowed a bomber crew to drop single bombs onto single hidden tanks scoring almost perfect hits on a constant basis.......bet the tanker who drove 20 minutes to get to the fight wishes that the Norden bomb sight wasnt allowed in the game......or at least wasnt so over done......or how about that multi-gun laser targeting system that the bombers now employ....how does the 190 or 51 jockey feel about spending 20 minutes to get to alt to engage the bombers just to be shot down buy multi 50's firing in concert at a distance and with a level of accuracy that would make today's weapon systems green with envy....

so again your argument holds no logical counter punch to it when veiwed in the light of how the game is currently coded and played.

pretty ponies though...........

[EVZ]

you keep saying that bomber hordes are not big enough to justify this counter measure in the ma's. well I'm here to tell you you are incorrect in that assessment.

I don't think anyone is denying the possibility, but BUFF HORDES are definately the exception in the MA rather than the rule.

it was just a "lets be a *&%$ and destroy the hangers so we can show those guys who keep killing us" type of move.

And I'd bet they enjoyed the heck out of it! Nothing WRONG with that.

if the 262 had rocket capabilities then i see no off set or unbalance that giving it the capability in the game would have.

While I must admit, -I- would enjoy sitting outside 1K and picking off 3 bombers without drawing fire (at least I'd enjoy it the 1st few times). I don't think it would be fair, realistic, or encourage more game play.

how does the 190 or 51 jockey feel about spending 20 minutes to get to alt to engage the bombers just to be shot down buy multi 50's firing in concert at a distance and with a level of accuracy that would make today's weapon systems green with envy....

A very good point, I think this can and should be adjusted a little ... I'm not against the concentrated firepower, it reasonably simulates the reality of attacking a formation, but it may need a little tweaking, especially with regard to accuracy out beyond 500 yds.

There is a similar challenge presented by the BIG GUN in the 410, if a workable solution is found for THAT weapon, I suspect it can also be applied to rockets on the 262.

[VonMessa]

I don't think anyone is denying the possibility, but BUFF HORDES are definately the exception in the MA rather than the rule.

Obviously you have never been here for a MOM

And I'd bet they enjoyed the heck out of it! Nothing WRONG with that.

Having fun or having a tantrum?

While I must admit, -I- would enjoy sitting outside 1K and picking off 3 bombers without drawing fire (at least I'd enjoy it the 1st few times). I don't think it would be fair, realistic, or encourage more game play.

Considering a Schwalbe costs ~ 200 perks, what is not fair?  They had them during the war, what would be un-fair or un-realistic about them?  In what way would it dis-courage game play?

A very good point, I think this can and should be adjusted a little ... I'm not against the concentrated firepower, it reasonably simulates the reality of attacking a formation, but it may need a little tweaking, especially with regard to accuracy out beyond 500 yds.

A .50 caliber MG is quite accurate beyond 500 yds.  In fact, it has a max effective range of 2000 yds.

There is a similar challenge presented by the BIG GUN in the 410, if a workable solution is found for THAT weapon, I suspect it can also be applied to rockets on the 262.


There is a problem with the weapons on the Hornisse?  Pray tell...