Yak-3

[Tank-Ace]

"doesnt fill a single gap"

Your saying we dont need the Yak-3 because the Yak-9U does everything exactly like the Yak-3?

Your funny!

It doesn't fill a single gap. Sorry, but it doesn't. Preformance is close enough that the Yak-9 can quite accurately fill in for the Yak-3 in special events. And aside from that, the number of events in which the Yak-3 is a major participant is rather low.

We don't need the Yak-3..... right now. Later, sure - but just not now, when there are other more important additions.

[Karnak]

Russian gap fillers:

LaGG-3
MiG-3
Pe-2
SB-2
Tu-2
Yak-1
Yak-7

[1Nicolas]

See Rule #12

[Butcher]

You are very funny, you know that?
The P38-J is a midwar bird, and is one of the most common 38's in the LWA, not to mention that people fly midwar spits in the LWA. Also, you forget that not everyone wants a late war monster plane. Not to mention the 100-ish people that play in E/MW arenas.

 If people want this plane, then obviously it should be added. you and one other guy are the only one giving a thumbs down bro. look at the support, you and some other guy wont get the idea shot down just because you disprove against the vast majority of the people that do want it.

Tank, you haven't played in quite a long time - Doesn't matter if its a Late War Bird or not, people do fly Early War and Midwar in the LWA.
Past 4 tours I haven't flown anything below 20 eny, P38J Last tour, C205 Tour before - this tour I am side lined, otherwise i'd flown probably a 109.

It all depends on the pilot and skill level, some won't touch a C202 because of the gun package, however it serves me quite fine and makes a nice challange. The most planes I shot down in a P38J happened to be P51s and 190s.

Even when you did play - this still was the factor, I can name a dozen pilots who fly 20+ eny birds entirely in the LWA and most are easily some of the top fighter sticks in the game. LW or not.

[321BAR]

I thought you quit. Or, just the squad disbanded?

Ask for something you will use insread.
 

 



wrongway

i never quit? though its been a while since ive driven my M18 maybe i should get to figuring out my ID for the new computer that i forgot to memorize...

[Tank-Ace]

Tank, you haven't played in quite a long time - Doesn't matter if its a Late War Bird or not, people do fly Early War and Midwar in the LWA.
Past 4 tours I haven't flown anything below 20 eny, P38J Last tour, C205 Tour before - this tour I am side lined, otherwise i'd flown probably a 109.

It all depends on the pilot and skill level, some won't touch a C202 because of the gun package, however it serves me quite fine and makes a nice challange. The most planes I shot down in a P38J happened to be P51s and 190s.

Even when you did play - this still was the factor, I can name a dozen pilots who fly 20+ eny birds entirely in the LWA and most are easily some of the top fighter sticks in the game. LW or not.

There are exceptions, yes. But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which  was my point. The ones flown also tend to be the ones that are at par for LW (P-38, Typhoon, etc) or have some other advantage.

[Butcher]

There are exceptions, yes. But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which  was my point. The ones flown also tend to be the ones that are at par for LW (P-38, Typhoon, etc) or have some other advantage.

Well it is called "LAte War Arena" for a reason, you won't see a rise in a particular Early War or Midwar plane, it mainly comes down to a skill level which most will shy away from since its easier to garnish a dozen kills in a P51-D then it is 1 victory in an i-16.

I particularly enjoy planes with no real advantage, maybe in the EW/MW arenas - but in the Late War what possible advantage could a C202 have? I-16? Buffalo?

Maybe its just me, I am no expert at any kind in a dogfight, however the few fights I do get are quite enjoyable against a Late war ride - although I lose 9 per every 10 I fight. Wish I could get better

[MAINER]

good

 

[Tank-Ace]

No you won't see a bunch of I-16's flooding the kill buffer in the LWA, but my point is that the Yak-3 won't be uber popular once the 'new' wears off either. My bet is that it won't even feel a whole lot different from the Yak-9 when you're flying it.

Since its really not significantly different from the Yak-9 (and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway), I say we focus on filling holes in the plane sets, till we have reasonable coverage of all periods of the war, and no major gaps. Once we finnish building the foundation, then we can start building our fancy house of Yak-3's, and Meteors, and the rest on top of that foundation.


And if its a C202, or an I-16, then yeah, you're going to lose most fight unless you're of exceptional skill. The 109E is about the poorest preforming plane I can go, and still make at least 1 kill before going down, unless I run into some ridiculous odds, like 8v1 or something.

[Butcher]

No you won't see a bunch of I-16's flooding the kill buffer in the LWA, but my point is that the Yak-3 won't be uber popular once the 'new' wears off either. My bet is that it won't even feel a whole lot different from the Yak-9 when you're flying it.

Since its really not significantly different from the Yak-9 (and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway), I say we focus on filling holes in the plane sets, till we have reasonable coverage of all periods of the war, and no major gaps. Once we finnish building the foundation, then we can start building our fancy house of Yak-3's, and Meteors, and the rest on top of that foundation.


And if its a C202, or an I-16, then yeah, you're going to lose most fight unless you're of exceptional skill. The 109E is about the poorest preforming plane I can go, and still make at least 1 kill before going down, unless I run into some ridiculous odds, like 8v1 or something.

No plan added will change anything unless its something faster then a P51 or Dora9 (with no perk value which wont happen)

[Tilt]

(and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway),

it is true that the Yak9D of 1943 and early 44 was very much (with the Yak9T) the most prevalent Yak of that era.

The Yak9U was however not representative at all and not as historically significant as the Yak3. It (the Yak9YU) was be dogged with engine issues and whilst one regiment saw active service from August 44 wide scale  introduction was not initiated until 45.

The Yak3 had undergone its service trials much earlier in 44 and was issued to several regiments (including the Normandie Niemen) in time for Bagration during June and July 44. It was the Yak3 that caused the LW to issue such orders to some of its squadron to avoid contact with the "smooth nosed Yak".  The Yak3 is the iconic late war Yak not the Yak9U.

The Yak3 with its lighter frame and lighter but lower powered engine and high rate of initial climb outperforms the 9U in all aspects (except top speed) on the deck but can only match it as altitudes increase to at point at approx12-15k where the 9U has supremacy of speed and climb.

My view is that the Yak3 will provide an ac in game that is  more effective than the 9U at low level dogfighting where it can out turn, out climb and out accelerate (from "mid range" speeds) the 9u whilst still having the speed in dive of the 9U (if not greater as its net drag is lower than the 9U) if it does not like the environment higher up.

[Tank-Ace]

We have a yak that can represent earlier periods, and a yak that can represent later periods of the war, and fill in very nicely for the Yak-3.


And I'm not so sure if its going to be as spectacular as you're imagining it. Turn rate might be a bit better, but still not enough to let you turn fight the planes that gave the Yak-9 trouble. Acceleration might be better, but still not enough to let you out-accelerate the real preformance monsters like the 109K, La-7, and the 190D.

[Ack-Ack]

But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which  was my point.

There are quite a bit of MW planes that are regularly flown in the LW arena, the problem is that you don't know your planes.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

Relative to LW planes AKAK, I was speaking relatively. And I'm correct in stating that, compared to the number of LW aircraft sorties in the LW arena, there aren't a whole lot of EW and early MW aircraft sorties. Not nessicarily a few of them, but not a great many either.

If I had said, 'few EW and early MW planes are flown in LW', then yes, you would be correct in saying I was wrong. But since I don't know exactly how many sorties there are by EW and early MW planes in the LW arena, and by how many different people, I realized that saying 'few' of them are flown would be incorrect, and didn't use it.



And finally, are you supporting getting the Yak-3 as our next addition, or just commenting?

[Karnak]

Off the top of my head:

Mid-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: A-20G, A6M5b, B-17G, B-24J?, B-25H, B-26B, Bf110G-2, C.205, F6F-5, Il-2, Mosquito Mk VI, P-38J, P-51B, Panzer IV H?, Spitfire Mk VIII and Tiger I.

Early-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: C-47A, Fw190A-5, Lancaster Mk III, LVT-2, M-3, Seafire Mk II and Spitfire Mk IX.