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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 12:27:35 AM »
Lol, the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane. Wish I could say I didn't see that one coming. When will the community nut-up and fly a plane that take some skill to fly in the LWMA  :bhead?
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 12:33:41 AM »
Lol, the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane. Wish I could say I didn't see that one coming. When will the community nut-up and fly a plane that take some skill to fly in the LWMA  :bhead?

Oh, the kid that no longer plays also jumps aboard the 'anti spit' bandwagon, eh?
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 12:36:59 AM »
I think having an account continously for well over 3 years, and playing for close to 6 years entitles me to some whining.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 01:02:38 AM »
Lol, the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane. Wish I could say I didn't see that one coming. When will the community nut-up and fly a plane that take some skill to fly in the LWMA  :bhead?

Spits are actually fairly easy to fight.

1.  Look for the pilots skill level.  If you have any amount of patience, you can observe how your opponent flies his spit, look for weaknesses...

2.  Which is all abouth the next step.  The spitfire is good at everything...but not really great at anything.  Likely you are in a plane that is either faster, or turns better, or climbs better, or has superior armament.  A spitfire is also not exactly known for its "toughness" particurally regarding it's wings.

3.  Know your enemy...Know exactly WHAT spit it is you're facing, there is a big difference between a spit9, 16, and a seafire (i suspect this has alot to do with the "invincible status" alot of pilots tend to give it.  I.E. grouping the best feature each model has to add all into one.

4.  Know you're own aircraft.
     A F4U-D can deploy flaps and actually has an edge Vs a spit16 in an all out turning contest, a spit9 less so, but it is faster than both.
     Any model zero has superior turn performance, and you would be surprised how many spit pilots forget this.
     A Ki84 has the advantage in the vertical Vs anything except maybe a spit14.
     Would a Spit pilot be intellegent to headon a n1k2 or a Fw190?  more importantly, how likely is he going to try (i.e. #1)  and can you use that to get an edge on the merge?

Like the Brewster, which also has a strange reputation as being "uber"  They are actually fairly easy to beat.  especially since they are very common aircraft in the MA, a pilot should have plenty of expierence facing them.

     Planes that scare me...
     109K4, it's fast, is often flown by expierenced pilots, it accellerates stupidly quick, climbs like a homesick angel, and is a total speed demon down low.  If I screw up against one of these, I'm not going to likely get away.  By far I hate to see these.
     P38's, sounds stupid, they're such an easy target it's embarrasing.  Except when after the first merge and yyou're going straight for the kill and you realize the pilot actually knows how to fly a 38 :uhoh  They are such a strange aircraft that I havent figured out how to counter whatever it is the ace 38 pilots have figured out.
     La7's are particurally nasty.  It's one of the fastest planes in the game, owns the vertical, and is very maneuverable.  Thank god its guns are so bad they would almost be better off tossing a rock at you. Someone experienced in these are my biggest threat.  And it's very difficult to get away even if you start with the upper hand.  Kind of like the K4, except this monster can turn!
    Eseentially ANYTHING flown by an expeirenced pilot will waste me, but as for spits, hurri2c's Brewsters...(U know, the cheeter aircraft :noid)  Not so much, unless I screwed up somewhere these really are not much of a threat.
    
      
    
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 01:02:52 AM »
Lol, the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane. Wish I could say I didn't see that one coming. When will the community nut-up and fly a plane that take some skill to fly in the LWMA  :bhead?


Apart from the fact that postings like that one are causing a reflex to abort the stats stuff all together....  :bhead

... you are actually wrong on several levels, most notably "the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane". That's simply incorrect.
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2012, 01:11:04 AM »

Apart from the fact that postings like that one are causing a reflex to abort the stats stuff all together....  :bhead

... you are actually wrong on several levels, most notably "the spit-twits top the list with their EZ mode plane". That's simply incorrect.

NO!!!! Don't abort!!!!

Not that I thought you were going to, but Alot of us (TOTALLY ME) really really want to see your stats.
please dont worry about a bunch of pilots who need to explain away why it is they suck.

I want to see these stats to figure out what I can do about sucking :)

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 01:13:27 AM »
Err Edit ^

I doubt I am the only one that looks forward to your numbers every year.

So....*crappy drumroll*

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 01:31:28 AM »
NO!!!! Don't abort!!!!

Of course I don't. ;)   After all, the main motivation for doing that stuff is not the community (sorry folks  :D), but being very curious myself  :banana:

It's just that I'm somewhat fed up with all that parroted nonsense...  :rolleyes:
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 01:51:11 AM »
Lusche, a great man once said, and I think you might benefit from this... BAH! Humbug.

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 01:56:00 AM »
Of course I don't. ;)   After all, the main motivation for doing that stuff is not the community (sorry folks  :D), but being very curious myself  :banana:

It's just that I'm somewhat fed up with all that parroted nonsense...  :rolleyes:

What like this? :D

"My country ALWAYS gets ganged!"  (what do you think the other two countries are saying)
"I HATE THE HOARDEZZZZZZ!!!"   (But I totally want to join that 30 person mission)
"SPITS ARE NEWBIE PLANEZZZZ"  (yet we'll still try to turn them in our P47's..because we arn't newbs ourselves)
"NO WAY THAT PLANE COULD HAVE CAUGHT ME!!!!!!!!!!"  (because E states, and acceleration have nothing to do with a planes absolute top speed)
"BOMTARDZZ!!!"  (It's ok though, when defending a base, but not cool when I'm attacking one)
and..
and...
and....
"HO'ERS....RGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!"   (not even going there...we all do it :aok"

* indignant look*  You certainly would not mean THAT would you :eek:

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 03:14:09 PM »
Spits are actually fairly easy to fight.

1.  Look for the pilots skill level.  If you have any amount of patience, you can observe how your opponent flies his spit, look for weaknesses...

2.  Which is all abouth the next step.  The spitfire is good at everything...but not really great at anything.  Likely you are in a plane that is either faster, or turns better, or climbs better, or has superior armament.  A spitfire is also not exactly known for its "toughness" particurally regarding it's wings.

3.  Know your enemy...Know exactly WHAT spit it is you're facing, there is a big difference between a spit9, 16, and a seafire (i suspect this has alot to do with the "invincible status" alot of pilots tend to give it.  I.E. grouping the best feature each model has to add all into one.

4.  Know you're own aircraft.
     A F4U-D can deploy flaps and actually has an edge Vs a spit16 in an all out turning contest, a spit9 less so, but it is faster than both.
     Any model zero has superior turn performance, and you would be surprised how many spit pilots forget this.
     A Ki84 has the advantage in the vertical Vs anything except maybe a spit14.
     Would a Spit pilot be intellegent to headon a n1k2 or a Fw190?  more importantly, how likely is he going to try (i.e. #1)  and can you use that to get an edge on the merge?

Like the Brewster, which also has a strange reputation as being "uber"  They are actually fairly easy to beat.  especially since they are very common aircraft in the MA, a pilot should have plenty of expierence facing them.

     Planes that scare me...
     109K4, it's fast, is often flown by expierenced pilots, it accellerates stupidly quick, climbs like a homesick angel, and is a total speed demon down low.  If I screw up against one of these, I'm not going to likely get away.  By far I hate to see these.
     P38's, sounds stupid, they're such an easy target it's embarrasing.  Except when after the first merge and yyou're going straight for the kill and you realize the pilot actually knows how to fly a 38 :uhoh  They are such a strange aircraft that I havent figured out how to counter whatever it is the ace 38 pilots have figured out.
     La7's are particurally nasty.  It's one of the fastest planes in the game, owns the vertical, and is very maneuverable.  Thank god its guns are so bad they would almost be better off tossing a rock at you. Someone experienced in these are my biggest threat.  And it's very difficult to get away even if you start with the upper hand.  Kind of like the K4, except this monster can turn!
    Eseentially ANYTHING flown by an expeirenced pilot will waste me, but as for spits, hurri2c's Brewsters...(U know, the cheeter aircraft :noid)  Not so much, unless I screwed up somewhere these really are not much of a threat.
    
      
    
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READ:  I will wait until the Brew or Spit gets tangled up with someone else, use my E and hammer him while he's busy.

I'll test your theory MK....you can fly any plane you want and I'll fly none of the Spits you mentioned...I'll fly the Spit V.  Co-alt merges 25% fuel....I'm just curious if your assessment is correct.  Bingo fuel ditch/crash is considered a loss...

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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »
Is it Saturday yet?
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2012, 03:24:19 PM »
I'll test your theory MK....you can fly any plane you want and I'll fly none of the Spits you mentioned...I'll fly the Spit V.  Co-alt merges 25% fuel....I'm just curious if your assessment is correct.  Bingo fuel ditch/crash is considered a loss...

That's a bit unfair since a duel doesn't really reflect the MA environment, and the Spit V is a beast of a dueling plane.  Under very restricted dueling rules, the Spit V holds serious advantages against K4s, La7s, F4Us, etc.  This is particularly true if you know that the other guy in the F4U is very likely to be dumping speed/dropping flaps/using air brakes to gain quick angles after the merge.  In the MA environment, most of the time you don't know if that guy's gonna hit the brakes or keep on going.

Spits aren't "fairly easy" to fight, but many planes are highly survivable against them.  You might not get a kill against a well-flown Spit in a 109K4 in the MA, but the odds are very unlikely that a co-E or lower E Spit will turn the tables.  The K4 should be able to dictate the fight, put the Spit on the defensive, and egress if necessary.


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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2012, 03:26:53 PM »
   Many squirrels have perished bringing you that information........

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You lie, that squirrel does not have a camera.  At least not one that I can see anyhow...    :noid
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Re: I admit: I used spies...
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2012, 04:19:51 PM »
That's a bit unfair since a duel doesn't really reflect the MA environment, and the Spit V is a beast of a dueling plane.  Under very restricted dueling rules, the Spit V holds serious advantages against K4s, La7s, F4Us, etc.  This is particularly true if you know that the other guy in the F4U is very likely to be dumping speed/dropping flaps/using air brakes to gain quick angles after the merge.  In the MA environment, most of the time you don't know if that guy's gonna hit the brakes or keep on going.

Spits aren't "fairly easy" to fight, but many planes are highly survivable against them.  You might not get a kill against a well-flown Spit in a 109K4 in the MA, but the odds are very unlikely that a co-E or lower E Spit will turn the tables.  The K4 should be able to dictate the fight, put the Spit on the defensive, and egress if necessary.



Levi,

My point precisely however, I was going to test the "know your opponent " part which you don't address.  Furthermore, any plane is survivable in the MA....it requires that the pilot only engage when he has the advatange and disengage when he doesn't and I submit that any plane can be flown that way....which mitigates just about any advantage any plane has except planes with speed...because you cannot disengage from them unless they allow you to do so.
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