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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2012, 02:37:04 PM »
This was just posted by USRanger in another thread, but it works here.
I dont know but that looks good to me.

When did AH start rendering lens flare??

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2012, 02:49:39 PM »
My thoughts exactly... Plus the 190 is boxy compared to other new models. It was one of the earlier ones.

See here for the P-39:
http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39d/p39d5.jpg

See here for a 109:
http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201102_battleOverGermany/pics/frame4/008-backTo47s-Image-0011.jpg

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2012, 02:50:25 PM »


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Is that how nighttime looks in AH? That looks fantasic!
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2012, 02:58:53 PM »
My thoughts exactly... Plus the 190 is boxy compared to other new models. It was one of the earlier ones.

See here for the P-39:
http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/news/images/p39d/p39d5.jpg

See here for a 109:
http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201102_battleOverGermany/pics/frame4/008-backTo47s-Image-0011.jpg

All of the second gen models look outdated when compared to the newer ones. Don't even get me started on the Spitfire...
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #109 on: January 13, 2012, 03:40:18 PM »
Welcome the 2% as they become emboldened in their dissafection for HTC while reveling they don't care about anyone elses problems. That negative Marketing I was speaking about earlier Mr. CheddarBob.

Follow the money or motivation by looking at his PC specifications and game test results in the flashy pictures. The login message makes me think he is an Alpha tester for WoP, or signed up for the Beta. Tickle sister doubt while expressing your dissafection for HTC with a bold and flashy picture presentation. Eventualy other 2% will express themselves if Hitech allows this post to continue in this fashion. Or it's just that point in WoP's production strategy to get more players into the upcomming Beta phase.

Aces High looks a certain way. Even with the most powerful gaming PC on the market today, it still looks that way. The essence of Aces High is two fighters on a mat killing each other. Best man wins. Not a panoramic eyeball fest which is the only other way to compete against Aces High. The Big Lie being told here from the dissaffected is that they don't know what the essence of Aces High is. Then hiding behind this Lie to sell any player who can be infected by their Lie that Aces High is a dated POS.

Does anyone know what the end of life date is for Microsoft's support of XP sp3?

Sometime in 2014. How many current players are running XP sp3??????????

There is a small snapshot file that updates HTC to your basic PC stats like OS, CPU, and video card everytime you logon I beleive. It's in your Settings directory called (sysinfo.cfg).

Which version of DirecX is XP stuck at? Dx9.

The other part of the Lie is the dissaffected have been angry at Hitech for as long as I can remember. Specificaly for not making Aces High as eyeball festively modern and flashy as they wanted every time they complained in this forum over the years. Which would mean heartlesly crapping on part of HTC's consumer base who could not afford to upgrade to the dissafecteds elitist gaming hardware standards. Looks like WoP was listening and looking for a few good dissafected Jedi.
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #110 on: January 13, 2012, 03:44:27 PM »
The Big Lie being told here from the dissaffected is that they don't know what the essence of Aces High is. Then hiding behind this Lie to sell any player who can be infected by their Lie that Aces High is a dated POS.

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #111 on: January 13, 2012, 03:46:47 PM »
Welcome the 2% as they become emboldened in their dissafection for HTC while reveling they don't care about anyone elses problems. That negative Marketing I was speaking about earlier Mr. CheddarBob.

Follow the money or motivation by looking at his PC specifications and game test results in the flashy pictures. The login message makes me think he is an Alpha tester for WoP, or signed up for the Beta. Tickle sister doubt while expressing your dissafection for HTC with a bold and flashy picture presentation. Eventualy other 2% will express themselves if Hitech allows this post to continue in this fashion. Or it's just that point in WoP's production strategy to get more players into the upcomming Beta phase.

Aces High looks a certain way. Even with the most powerful gaming PC on the market today, it still looks that way. The essence of Aces High is two fighters on a mat killing each other. Best man wins. Not a panoramic eyeball fest which is the only other way to compete against Aces High. The Big Lie being told here from the dissaffected is that they don't know what the essence of Aces High is. Then hiding behind this Lie to sell any player who can be infected by their Lie that Aces High is a dated POS.

Does anyone know what the end of life date is for Microsoft's support of XP sp3?

Sometime in 2014. How many current players are running XP sp3??????????

There is a small snapshot file that updates HTC to your basic PC stats like OS, CPU, and video card everytime you logon I beleive. It's in your Settings directory called (sysinfo.cfg).

Which version of DirecX is XP stuck at? Dx9.

The other part of the Lie is the dissaffected have been angry at Hitech for as long as I can remember. Specificaly for not making Aces High as eyeball festively modern and flashy as they wanted every time they complained in this forum over the years. Which would mean heartlesly crapping on part of HTC's consumer base who could not afford to upgrade to the dissafecteds elitist gaming hardware standards. Looks like WoP was listening and looking for a few good dissafected Jedi.
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Act01, Scene 144. Year 12 of the New Era.

But the Dark Side of the Force was STRONG with the Dissaffected and they NEEEEEDed their revenge for years of being ignored by the Hitech. So they proselytized the Dark Side in the house of HTC in the hopes of stealing converts to their new religion. Long live the Dark Side for it dazzles your need for bright and flashy. Feeds your desire to leave your body. Gives all that has been longed for and trecherously denighed by the House of HTC. The time is near and your dreams will be realised in the Dark Side.

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #112 on: January 13, 2012, 03:55:22 PM »
I have the benchmark on my 2009 gaming system. Below are my computer specs, benchmark settings and results.

Intel core I7 2.6Ghz @ 4.0Ghz.
6GB RAM @1600mhz DDR3, 8-8-8-24.
ATI HD5850 X2 (Please note that WoP doesn't currently have a CAP profile so multi GPU scaling is non existent. Only one GFX card was used during the test)

I have no love for motion blur so it wasn't used in this benchmark.


Conclusion

Even without CF support the game runs butter smooth.


You didn't compare it to AH with similar settings. I did. You get nearly twice the frame rate in AH. Imagine players who get 100FPS or less in AH. How many are they? They'd get 50FPS or less in WoP (or hypothetical  AHIII). Bellow 50 is hardly playable. How many would have to upgrade their hardware? How many wouldn't upgrade and just leave AH altogether?
Can HTC afford experiment like that with already low subscriber numbers? 

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #113 on: January 13, 2012, 04:44:59 PM »
Many games are using texture based shadows, but not many have settings for texture size, and just because you don't understand HTC's design goals doesn't mean design is flawed.

You can play AH with most settings maxed on mid-range graphic card, you can't do that with any other games mentioned in this thread.

As many have shown with an advanged game engine you can run superb graphics with mid level hardware. In AH2 the engine looks and feels years old and the feeling does not change when ramping up the settings to the max. It reminds me of F1 2002 a bit if I remember the year right... That game was choppy on 2002 hardware and continues to be choppy on 2012 hardware. I remember booting it up for shiggits and giggles because it used to be the game where I wondered when would there be fast enough computer to run it smoothly.

Yay 10 years later it was still choppy. Except now the graphics were totally dated and the new F1 game had a mindbogglingly more advanced graphics and still running much faster on the same hardware :)

The game engine makes all the difference. Among all this complaining you should remember that HTC is a very small company that has very limited resources and income. They can't work miracles.

AH2 excells in flight model, online play and general fun factor. Even if you took all the graphics sliders to the minimum and played at 640x480 the core experience of AH is still there. Something you can NOT say about wings of prey, IL2 cliffs of bend over or the likes IMO.
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #114 on: January 13, 2012, 05:26:02 PM »
You didn't compare it to AH with similar settings. I did. You get nearly twice the frame rate in AH. Imagine players who get 100FPS or less in AH. How many are they? They'd get 50FPS or less in WoP (or hypothetical AHIII). Bellow 50 is hardly playable. How many would have to upgrade their hardware? How many wouldn't upgrade and just leave AH altogether?
Can HTC afford experiment like that with already low subscriber numbers?  

I don't think most of the settings in WoP go low enough to directly compare it to AH with similar settings. The clouds are so much more detailed; the ocean isn't a flat 2D surface, it's also animated; I can't toggle off the lighting, particle and post process effects either. Don't forget that the software is still in beta and could possible be optimised further. If you could only hypothetical render AHIII* (maximum settings) at 50FPS then you wouldn't have to upgrade hardware, just lower a few resource hungry settings to achieve the magical 60FPS. Fact is, even with everything turned off, not only do you gain a lot more FPS but it still arguably looks better than Aces High.

What about all the revenue lost from potential customers who don't give Aces High a chance because they can't get past how dated the game looks? I've lost count at how many times I've had to defend Aces High's honour in other gaming circles. Can't HTC just add the eye candy but make it a toggleable option? Win, win?
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« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2012, 05:32:13 PM »
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2012, 05:33:27 PM »
and for christ's sake....... read what people write or reply  in these threads..... how many other sims completely redesign their flight model / graphics -game engine every few years?  Aces high has done it around 3 times........ people keep posting that Ace High is using a dated game engine, and do not even know what they are talking about.....

It sounds like you are one of those people who don't know what they are talking about.  Aces High hasn't redone their engine.  They have made some better textures and added some new features.  The core game is still the same as it ever has been.  All they have done is add small cosmetics.
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #117 on: January 13, 2012, 05:37:32 PM »
It sounds like you are one of those people who don't know what they are talking about.  Aces High hasn't redone their engine.  They have made some better textures and added some new features.  The core game is still the same as it ever has been.  All they have done is add small cosmetics.


TC was correct in his posts.  HiTech, Pyro and Skuzzy have each said parts of the engine have been rebuilt, and not just adding small cosmetic changes.

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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #118 on: January 13, 2012, 05:42:03 PM »

TC was correct in his posts.  HiTech, Pyro and Skuzzy have each said parts of the engine have been rebuilt, and not just adding small cosmetic changes.

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The engine has not changed you said it yourself, "parts of the engine have been rebuilt" the thing is it is still the same engine.  A new engine would be like going from Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3.  Completely different engine.  AH is using the same core components and the same engine and just changing parts of it to suit their needs.  It is the same.
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Re: TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.
« Reply #119 on: January 13, 2012, 05:44:30 PM »
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