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Offline alpini13

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CV ABILITY UPDATE
« on: January 20, 2012, 07:36:12 PM »
    The CV should have aditional abilities...such as being able to have the fleet LAY SMOKE to obscure them from a bomber attack.It should have a limited use.
      The CV should not loose all its radar capability when the carrier radar is knocked out,other ships have radar,and thus the cv group should have radar...but very limited radar when one is knocked out....no radar when all are knocked out.
     :x The CV should have updated vehicles such as an amphib tank,truck,and jeep. this would give the cv the ability to lauch vehicles further up the coast and because the vehicles have more speed...they would be able to attack from a different direction.
      :pray The CV should have a planeset update,including aircraft like the seafire 3,sae hurricane,late war japanese torpedo and dive bombers.
      These updates should be completed in a 1 to 1.5 year span during regular updates...not all at once

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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 08:36:38 PM »
The CV should have aditional abilities...such as being able to have the fleet LAY SMOKE to obscure them from a bomber attack.
Already in the Game ... They make LOTS and LOTS of smoke !

The CV should not loose all its radar capability when the carrier radar is knocked out,other ships have radar.
No, that's just wrong ... Radar was in it's infancy when the war began and was just starting to achieve long range ship board reliability by the war's end. The mark 1 eyeball was the Navy's main detector system and remained in use 24 hr's a day thru the end of the war

The CV should have updated vehicles such as an amphib tank,truck,and jeep. this would give the cv the ability to lauch vehicles further up the coast..
I THINK they tried that, but every one they drove off the deck immediately sank !

The CV should have a planeset update..
NAH, all the bases are covered I think ... 
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 09:14:12 PM »
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 10:50:08 PM »
CVs need something. They are way too easy to kill with -26s
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 04:41:49 AM »
CVs need something. They are way too easy to kill with -26s
My opinion, all CVs NEED is gunners in the 5 inchers.
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 02:17:41 PM »
No, that's just wrong ... Radar was in it's infancy when the war began and was just starting to achieve long range ship board reliability by the war's end. The mark 1 eyeball was the Navy's main detector system and remained in use 24 hr's a day thru the end of the war

In 1940 the radar was in its infancy, by 1944-45 every American CV was sporting an SK Radar set with a 130 ft. antenna that could pick out large planes at 250,000 yards (142 miles) and small planes at 150,000 yards (85 miles).  The radar set was not the problem, it was the curvature of the earth that became the limiting factor, which is why they put radar sets on destroyers and sent them out as pickets over the horizon to increase their coverage. 

WW2 radar operators manual is HERE: http://hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSCSK-1

What we need generally in AH and specifically for the CVs is a larger radar range.  By the time I break a 12 mile radar circle in B26s at 280 knots, you have less than 3 minutes to up, climb and intercept before I drop my bombs.  Usually the ONLY thing that gets me is the AAA, and that usually after I have already dropped, so bye bye CV.

CV radar range should be tripled to 36 miles, and the radar should distinguish between large (buff) and small (fighter) targets.  Large Airfields should get this as well.
Medium Airfields should get a 24 mile range, and leave the Small Airfields and V-Bases at 12 mile radar range.


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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 10:30:07 PM »
In 1940 the radar was in its infancy, by 1944-45 every American CV was sporting an SK Radar set with a 130 ft. antenna that could pick out large planes at 250,000 yards (142 miles) and small planes at 150,000 yards (85 miles).  The radar set was not the problem, it was the curvature of the earth that became the limiting factor, which is why they put radar sets on destroyers and sent them out as pickets over the horizon to increase their coverage. 

WW2 radar operators manual is HERE: http://hnsa.org/doc/radar/part4.htm#pgSCSK-1

What we need generally in AH and specifically for the CVs is a larger radar range.  By the time I break a 12 mile radar circle in B26s at 280 knots, you have less than 3 minutes to up, climb and intercept before I drop my bombs.  Usually the ONLY thing that gets me is the AAA, and that usually after I have already dropped, so bye bye CV.

CV radar range should be tripled to 36 miles, and the radar should distinguish between large (buff) and small (fighter) targets.  Large Airfields should get this as well.
Medium Airfields should get a 24 mile range, and leave the Small Airfields and V-Bases at 12 mile radar range.



I dont think the dar range should increase.  they tried that a couple of years ago and it was a disappointing test.  dar would pick you up as soon as you upped from any field in the front lines.  fighting decreased as most people started flying from rear bases and come in at 20 to 25k wasnt pretty as you wasted a lot of time flying to get to a base just to die in 10 seconds.


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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 08:00:00 AM »
I think the problem is, as its too easy to command , the rank thing is correct but i think players who switch side , should have a restricted command for up to one hour , this will give players who have tacticul use for the cv and have been on the same country from the begining of the tour , more of a chance to move the cv out of trouble where necessery , as if this problem is not put in check it may cause a tit for tat scenario  :salute

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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 09:35:28 AM »
As far as the plane set goes, the Hurricane and Mossi are the only 2 in game aircraft that could "easily" be converted to carrier use.
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 10:03:11 AM »
Sea Mosquito was post war, I am pretty sure.  I know the first landings and take offs were during the war, but I don't think it entered service until after. The initial Sea Mosquito was basically a Mk VI powered by the same Merlin 25s with four bladed props for better acceleration.

If I recall correctly, the Japanese were also working on a carrier version of the N1K2-J.  It would have been, I think, the N1K3-A and was supposed to have equipped the Shinano, which obviously didn't work out courtesy of USS Archerfish.
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 11:26:18 AM »

No, that's just wrong ... Radar was in it's infancy when the war began and was just starting to achieve long range ship board reliability by the war's end. The mark 1 eyeball was the Navy's main detector system and remained in use 24 hr's a day thru the end of the war


The OP makes a valid point.  By late war Destroyers were being used as radar pickets to protect the main fleet.  At least the cruiser should have radar.
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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 12:08:49 PM »
yes i agree baltimore class cruisers were equipped with sg radar for surface targets and sk radar for airbourne targets with 100 naut mile radius  :salute

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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 01:27:57 PM »
I dont think the dar range should increase.  they tried that a couple of years ago and it was a disappointing test.  dar would pick you up as soon as you upped from any field in the front lines.  fighting decreased as most people started flying from rear bases and come in at 20 to 25k wasnt pretty as you wasted a lot of time flying to get to a base just to die in 10 seconds.

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I think all that would happen is that there would be a concerted effort to pork radars before big bomber raids, and the selection of which bases to up hordes from would probably change as well.   The CV is the big issue - leaving it with a 12 mile radar circle and only one radar to destroy makes it easy meat. 

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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 01:34:07 PM »
This is how I set them up for later destruction.

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Re: CV ABILITY UPDATE
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 08:22:56 PM »
The OP makes a valid point.  By late war Destroyers were being used as radar pickets to protect the main fleet.  At least the cruiser should have radar.
I'm not sure referring to them as RADAR pickets is appropriate ... PICKETS, yes ... Take a look at the standing orders regarding HOW MANY MEN were on deck observing the skys with field glasses while a ship was on picket duty ... The REASON those Pickets were required is that WHEN RADAR FAILED to detect Bogeys at Long Range ... There would be a BACK UP Spotting screen that would see them in time for the Capital Ships to get to Battle Stations and prepare for Kamikaze attack. Radar was a reality, but NOT a reliable one, even by the end of the war.

I'd agree that Cruisers should also be equipped, that would DOUBLE the life expectancy of RADAR for a fleet group ... I think leaving the range  =  to every other radar set in the game is only fair and appropriate.
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