Patch 2 Frame Rate issues.

[The Fugitive]

I'd be almost willing to bet that when he does post his dxdiag that we see he is.running an AMD system. Just guessing.

[OOZ662]

It's 5:3 Intel:AMD so far, so I dunno. I don't think CPU architecture would have much effect on VRAM, though, assuming the video stutters and out-of-VRAM issues are connected.

[715]

I've got a semi related question.  I get constant micro stutters on some maps.  But I never get out of VidMem errors even though, if I select bump map bldgs and vehicles, it sometimes gives Used values way above what the Video card actually has.  Example CTRL-I reading: VidMem 512M Used 620M.  (I get the micro stutters even if I disable the new features, i.e. grass and bump mapped objects.)

E8400@3GHz, 4G RAM, 4850 w 512M, XP 32bit SP3, 1920x1080, HiRes textures, 1024 smooth shadows, 4xAA, 8xAF

[stickpig]

Thanks for the help.

Hope all this means something

System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 2/14/2012, 15:05:13
       Machine name: HOMEPC
   Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.111025-1629)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: INTEL_
       System Model: DP35DP__
               BIOS: Default System BIOS
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8400  @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
             Memory: 2030MB RAM
          Page File: 498MB used, 3423MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: The file ctaud2k.sys is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL).  You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type: GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+
         DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0612&SUBSYS_057710DE&REV_A2
   Display Memory: 512.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (85Hz)
          Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
      Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0012.8558 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 10/7/2011 20:50:00, 4226688 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 10/7/2011 20:50:00, 12791488 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4552-11CF-0052-7B2503C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0612
        SubSys ID: 0x057710DE
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
 Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
-------------
            Description: SB X-Fi Audio [1000]
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0005&SUBSYS_00311102&REV_00
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.1375 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: No
          Date and Size: 5/5/2010 21:24:24, 526296 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Creative
         HW Accel Level: Full
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 1, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 128, 128
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 128, 128
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: Yes
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

[stickpig]

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ound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: SB X-Fi Audio [1000]
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.1375 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 5/5/2010 21:24:24, 526296 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0xFFF

-----------
DirectMusic
-----------
        DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
     DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
    Acceleration: Enabled
           Ports: SB X-Fi DMusic Synth [1000], Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                  SB X-Fi Audio [1000], Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB X-Fi Synth B [1000] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  SB X-Fi Synth A [1000] [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
        Registry: OK
     Test Result: Not run

-------------------
DirectInput Devices
-------------------
      Device Name: Mouse
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name:  5400 Series
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x043D, 0x00F7
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek X52 Flight Controller
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x075C
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse II Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8021
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse II Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8021
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse II Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8021
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Saitek Eclipse II Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8021
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
         Registry: OK

-----------
USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x2936
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 16:15:38, 59520 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 2/28/2006 03:00:00, 4736 bytes

----------------
Gameport Devices
----------------

------------
PS/2 Devices
------------
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/13/2008 23:09:50, 14592 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 23:09:48, 24576 bytes
|
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x8021
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/13/2008 23:09:50, 14592 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 23:09:48, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/14/2008 04:43:22, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 23:09:48, 24576 bytes
|
+ HID-compliant mouse
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/14/2008 04:51:44, 23040 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 2/28/2006 03:00:00, 12160 bytes
|
+ HID-compliant mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC040
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/14/2008 04:51:44, 23040 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 2/28/2006 03:00:00, 12160 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/14/2008 04:43:22, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/14/2008 04:51:44, 23040 bytes

----------------------------
DirectPlay Service Providers
----------------------------
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Passed, Half Duplex: Passed, Mic: Passed
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

-------------------
DirectPlay Adapters
-------------------
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM2
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Local Area Connection - IPv4 -

-----------------------
DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

-------------------------
DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
-------------------------

------------------------
Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
      Drive: C:
 Free Space: 406.7 GB
Total Space: 476.9 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD5000AAKX-001CA0

      Drive: D:
      Model: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7190S
     Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 23:10:48, 62976 bytes

[stickpig]

There is a bunch more but I dont think its needed correct?

[The Fugitive]

Nope, just the first page is all you need.

That is an old computer. Maybe not "old", but it's on the low end of the performance scale. I retired mine like that 2 years ago and I was turning down eye candy back then. With todays game you need even more ummph.

My suggestions are first clean out your computer. Get the processes running down under 20 (hit control, alt, delete. when that window opens click on the processes tab at the top. In the lower left it will tell you how many you have running) BlackViper has a site on how/what to turn off to stream line your computer and get that number down. Next, turn down everything in the game, texture size and eye candy. Load the game and test. If FR are up start adding stuff until you see a drop in FR. The biggest hogs are the ground clutter and shadows.

[stickpig]

System only couple years old. Funny thing is I went over what I wanted to build with Skuzzy when I bought the parts and discussed processor (Wolfdale E8400. Vid card etc. Then again"Old" in tech is like yesterday. I've been using Black Viper for a lonnng time. I also use end it all.

I have a profile I use when playing AH so my process are minimal when I run it for AH.

I thank you very much as your info is right on.

But I really think that there is more than meets the eye ...candy

I have the same setting as always.. all detail and distance full, Shadow's and bump mapping on . 1024 textures and never ever an issue. always 75 FPS.

After the latest patch things have changed. Looking around causes serious frame rate drop and sitting in the tower is down to 14. Once Airborne (Hooya) things are still shaky. Still have ground clutter off and didn't change a thing any where else and frame have taken a serious hit.

I am going to turn down AA and see if I get a change

[stickpig]

Again....
Thanks for the help.

[OOZ662]

If I've been playing for nearly a decade on the same box and only just got nudged over with a problem lots of people are having, one would think a machine with only a couple years under its belt should work fine, especially when properly optimized.

It's pretty obvious a bug exists here, the problem is finding out where it's hiding. Even if everybody upgraded their computers to get over the issue, it'd still be there.

[Chalenge]

It should OOZ. The whole point of the way HTC is doing this is to give users the ability to selectively turn off graphics options. If you had never moved anything from before the new additions came in then your system should be performing the same. That said... the stutter issues are affecting systems with the new options off.

[Slate]

     My PC is about 7 years old, dual core pentium, GEforce 7300 Video card. Not the best but has served me well.
 After the Patch I could not play the game. I was frustrated, I didn't have money to throw at the hobby, it must be HTC's Fault! 
                                                        .......takes a few deep breaths........

    Read the Tips on PC settings....42 processes running....got it down to 29 (not sure what else to turn off)
                                                     Found new driver for Vid card...installed from Nvidia site, cool
                                          Ran Disk clean up, had too much clutter, 1.3 GB wow must have forgot Maintenence?
                                          Defrag disk, (just in case)
    Start game, It's Alive! I can fly again on my old box.  Frame rate at 33 avg just like before and turn off detailed terrain and water it will jump to 50.
     It's more important than ever that the older PC's need to be running at peak performance. The margin for error has shrunk. Sorry HTC if your ears were ringing.