Ramming Speed!

[Jayhawk]

The 'if you see it' premise is completely incorrect.  I've had many instances where in forcing an overshoot, rather than do the right thing and shoot past into my gun sights, the plane will press to keep with a manuver he cannot hope to match, and ram me squarely from behind.

In almost every instance of this happening, my plane is in two pieces, I am 'charged' with the collision, and the other guy flies past unscathed.

I'm not sure if you're making a joke or not, but that fits perfectly with how collisions work.  When someone says "if you see it" they mean the game, from your end, from your computer, detected that two aircraft were in the same place at the same time.  Since your computer detected that collision, you receive damage.  However, your computer cannot dole out damage to other people.  The second aircraft "sees" on his computer that he pulled up and away so his computer sees two aircraft in two separate locations, thus no damage is done.

It's hard for a lot of people to grasp that one fight can look different to each pilot.  Read up on the lag page link if you haven't already.

[Drano]

Outstanding Jayhawk. 

[The Fugitive]

The 'if you see it' premise is completely incorrect.  I've had many instances where in forcing an overshoot, rather than do the right thing and shoot past into my gun sights, the plane will press to keep with a manuver he cannot hope to match, and ram me squarely from behind.

In almost every instance of this happening, my plane is in two pieces, I am 'charged' with the collision, and the other guy flies past unscathed.

it is NOT actually see's the other plane, it's as Jayhawk says your computer detects a collision. So Hitech quote should really read....

A faster computer and connection speed as almost no effect on lag.  has ZERO effect on lag.

But connect speed is really a moot point. Because the lag TIME is the combined lag of both people, hence you will both HAVE the exact same lag unless your connection in and out do not take the same path. But the lag still will not effect the collision, what your computer detects is what you get, and you have no way of determining what the other persons computer detects.
A great myth.

And if you could actually fly your plane precisely enough to do a pass that you could predict a collision on the other persons end, there would be no reason to do so, it would be simpler just to shoot him with that type of flying skill.

HiTech

HiTech

[RTHolmes]

The 'if you see it' premise is completely incorrect.  I've had many instances where in forcing an overshoot, rather than do the right thing and shoot past into my gun sights, the plane will press to keep with a manuver he cannot hope to match, and ram me squarely from behind.

In almost every instance of this happening, my plane is in two pieces, I am 'charged' with the collision, and the other guy flies past unscathed.

RTFM! http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm

[EVZ]

The 'if you see it' premise is completely incorrect.  I've had many instances where in forcing an overshoot, rather than do the right thing and shoot past into my gun sights, the plane will press to keep with a manuver he cannot hope to match, and ram me squarely from behind.

In almost every instance of this happening, my plane is in two pieces, I am 'charged' with the collision, and the other guy flies past unscathed.

Yep ... but these guys are just going to call you a liar or tell you, that wasn't REALLY what happened ...
To be fair ...  when they say IF YOU SEE IT ... What (I think) they really MEAN is ... If the event takes place ON YOUR COMPUTER ... For those who have heard that "If your ENGINE is HIT you will die" ... someone has misunderstood the term FRONT END. It doesn't mean the front end of your plane,  basically it means what can be seen on your screen.

[Jayhawk]

No one is denying that collisions happen, and sometimes they suck.  But you have to be able to back-up accusations that border on impossible with actual proof.

I can tell you that I hit a spitfire five times with a 30mm tator and it didn't die, but unless I show you proof, no one will believe me.

[Karnak]

Front end does not just refer to what you can see on your screen.  Your computer is only displaying a small view of what the camera sees of the 3D environment it is calculating.

As to intentional ramming, yes, it can happen though it takes luck and/or persistence.  While you fly back and forth in front of his plane trying to hit it with the image of your plane on his computer, you better hope he is out of ammo or he will just blow you out of the sky.

[chaser]

Forcing a collision isn't really THAT hard. It's easiest to do against bombers. You can pull up right in front of them and make a VERY close pass to their nose and fly away without colliding on your end but completely destroy the bomber.

[wil3ur]

Wow...  flame-fest, and I even prefaced it with 'if you see it'.

MaB A-Sys Hi shuld ad a reerveew meeror so i can sees it?!?!

 

[Jayhawk]

Wow...  flame-fest, and I even prefaced it with 'if you see it'.

MaB A-Sys Hi shuld ad a reerveew meeror so i can sees it?!?!

 

Funny how the "flame-fests" happen when someone says something stupid.

[wil3ur]

...and still it speaks.


  

[EVZ]

Forcing a collision isn't really THAT hard. It's easiest to do against bombers. You can pull up right in front of them and make a VERY close pass to their nose and fly away without colliding on your end but completely destroy the bomber.

I suspect it's easier to anticipate bombers as they change attitude and altitude at a slower rate. As I understand it, in a Fighter to Fighter HO, you KNOW the guy is trying to hit the image he sees of where your plane has been, if you have a good FEEL for 3D geometry and a sense of WHERE the enemy plane you see WAS before you recieved it's image, you can intuitively distinguish the path he will try to fly to get his guns to bear on the image he is recieving ... intersect that path at the right moment and ... HE has a collision and dies.

 

[Rob52240]

M-18 monster trucks and Enemy La on the rearm pad with an unexpected outcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOqS2MfDbjw

Why are guns on some planes (like the La in video) collision proof though?

[FLS]

The 'if you see it' premise is completely incorrect.  I've had many instances where in forcing an overshoot, rather than do the right thing and shoot past into my gun sights, the plane will press to keep with a manuver he cannot hope to match, and ram me squarely from behind.

In almost every instance of this happening, my plane is in two pieces, I am 'charged' with the collision, and the other guy flies past unscathed.

You don't understand. The bandit didn't fly into you, he flew past you. That's why he's unscathed. He saw where you were and avoided you. There was no collision. This is completely true at the same time that it's true that you had a collision with the same bandit. An aircraft hit you on your PC so you took damage. The only problem is that you want the bandit who didn't hit anyone to have damage too.

[MK-84]

We need the collision flow chart again it looks like