don't even start

[deSelys]

Try to find this book, it'll help:

'Understanding women, book 1'

[B-17]

A 15 year old is having a hard time understanding women?  HMM  Well if you figure it out, let the rest of us know.

Shouldnt you be talking to your father about stuff like this?

My advise is this, be yourself.  It is all a game though.  Dont let on that your head over heels in love.  A girl overwhelmed with your attention becomes turned off while a girl ignored becomes interested.  Let it go and if it comes back to you, its yours forever.

Advice from a single guy lololol.  Well I have one very mean doorknob, itll get ya. 

Father is mentally unavailable.

I'll let you know when I figure it out

Nond, and I mean NONE of my friends have actually been in relationships that were more serious than "Get on, get in, get off, get out"

Can't be judged here, so I figured I would ask

[VonMessa]

Father is mentally unavailable.

I'll let you know when I figure it out

Nond, and I mean NONE of my friends have actually been in relationships that were more serious than "Get on, get in, get off, get out"

Can't be judged here, so I figured I would ask

I assume that you are looking for more than this, then?

[prowl3r]

ive given up on women after 30 years of trying now i just "date"  relationships are overrated 

[Shuffler]

If your trying to figure out women... stop.... go fishing.

[AHTbolt]

B-17 alot of things have changed since I was 17, the one thing that has NEVER changed is women. Several rules to know love and embrace are. 1. No matter how much you try and change to please her it is never enough. 2. The answer to all question is Yes dear. 3. No matter how wrong she is you are never right, pick your battles with care. 4. The day after your married sex ends, dont even ask. 5. Her friends opinion cary far greater weight than yours. 6. Men are pigs in all womens eyes. Just be yourself keep doing the things you like to do try new things dont limit yourself, and one day you wii find a woman that will let you keep doing those things.

[B-17]

I assume that you are looking for more than this, then?

At the moment, yes, it's one of my defining features from my High school

Shuffler, that's what I have to do to find someone who will put up with the insanity that is me bagpipes and tuba aren't a great combination for reeling in the chicks after all

TBolt, those words are tried and true and I'm never right anyways so it doesn't even matter. Your argument is invalid

We fixed it-- she just needed a place to source all of her annoyance and frustration into, and I was the only option at the time (11 30pm)





















I told her to ask next time :banana

[VonMessa]

At the moment, yes, it's one of my defining features from my High school

Shuffler, that's what I have to do to find someone who will put up with the insanity that is me bagpipes and tuba aren't a great combination for reeling in the chicks after all

TBolt, those words are tried and true and I'm never right anyways so it doesn't even matter. Your argument is invalid

We fixed it-- she just needed a place to source all of her annoyance and frustration into, and I was the only option at the time (11 30pm)





















I told her to ask next time :banana

This is not always a bad thing, regardless of what your friends may say or think.

It will give you many more options with the ladies as they will be more apt to take the time to date you if they know that you won't spend the bulk of the evening trying to get into their pants.  It will afford you more dates with higher quality girls as your demeanor will be something that they discuss among themselves.

This, in turn, will make them more relaxed on these dates and allow you to get a true and honest observation of who they are as a person, as opposed to the game-face that they put on for their peers.

Ultimately, it will make the girls want to get into your pants giving you more options than investing a lot of time, money and emotional equity into a single female, just to get rejected.

But, if you do ever get married, all of the axioms, as stated above by T-Bolt, will apply 

[B-17]

This is not always a bad thing, regardless of what your friends may say or think.

It will give you many more options with the ladies as they will be more apt to take the time to date you if they know that you won't spend the bulk of the evening trying to get into their pants.  It will afford you more dates with higher quality girls as your demeanor will be something that they discuss among themselves.

This, in turn, will make them more relaxed on these dates and allow you to get a true and honest observation of who they are as a person, as opposed to the game-face that they put on for their peers.

Ultimately, it will make the girls want to get into your pants giving you more options than investing a lot of time, money and emotional equity into a single female, just to get rejected.

But, if you do ever get married, all of the axioms, as stated above by T-Bolt, will apply 

I've always figured it was better to actually want something more than just physical stuff... I just never thought of it that (^) way.

Thanks for the insight, guys got me thinking :bolt NEVER a good thing

[B-17]

Actually, thinking some more, it could potentially end up worse, but only with certain girls... It would certainly make one look/seem more vulnerable/naive than the "other guys"

Whether that's true or not depends on the guy, though.

[VonMessa]

Actually, thinking some more, it could potentially end up worse, but only with certain girls... It would certainly make one look/seem more vulnerable/naive than the "other guys"

Whether that's true or not depends on the guy, though.

Oh, I'm not saying to act like a monk  

It is all about balance.  Be confident, but not arrogant or pushy.  Be sensitive and listen to them (they love this since they love to talk so damn much) but don't be a milk-toast.  Be gentleman-like, but make it subtly known that if they needed a place to sit, you would make sure they had a clean seat by washing your face

You must be discreet, though.  If a girl can feel "safe" with you, meaning that you won't spend every waking moment trying to get into their pants and in the event that you do you will keep your mouth shut about it, they will be more willing to give up their favors  

If you DO happen to receive said favors, do not brag!  It WILL get back to her and most guy friends will not believe you anyhow.  In either case, it will ruin your chances for ever getting it again from that same girl.  If you are getting some, and it is good, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and keep enjoying it!

[AHTbolt]

B-17 dont over think things or get in the poor me rut, things seam like the end of the world now but your going through the same thing that every man has since time began. These too shall pass, enjoy your youth while you can it dosnt get any better. When your job bites your behing on bills and your kids hate you, you will look back on the good old days of your youth and wish you had it that easy.

[Maverick]

Men have been trying to undestand women since before fire was domesticated. If you do indeed figure it out put it in a book and you can retire in fine fine style on the proceeds.

You have gotten some good advice here. One thing I would add, and it is a hard pill to swallow, is do NOT be in a hurry. You have much to experience, learn and do before making what is often a lifetime altering decision. Much as your hormones and the new areas in your brain opening up are pushing you to go for it, you are not ready to tie the knot and settle down. High School is not the defining experience of your life, unless you do not survive it.  There are likely to be many many years ahead of you and the passage of some of those years give you a perspective you have not had the opportunity to gain yet. Wait until you have some better life experiences before jumping in that deep water.

[Penguin]

On the issue of "No matter how right you are, she is," though that can help during times when she's more unstable than usual, it's always better to avoid confrontational talk altogether.  Focus on the solution, not who is right, and you'll both profit.  Remember to keep track of how things are going in the relationship, and write down any big or new things.  Review that list each month, and see if any trends have emerged (it could be both good or bad, she might be giving you more 'fun time' or been unresponsive).  Either way, try to act on them.  If she's been gloomy, and you can't cheer her up, man up and ask her why in the least threatening way that you can.  It's that sort of openness that's very difficult, and therefore very scary.  If we were that open all the time, then we'd get hurt.  Heck, being that intimate with a girl scares me, too.

The most important thing is to never, ever (barring abuses of this rule) feel like you can't tell her something that pertains to her.  If that is true for you, then it's likely true for her, too.  That kind of distancing will crush any relationship.  Building trust and having you both feel safe talking to each other is the only way that the relationship can grow past "Wham, bam, thank-you ma'am" in a safe, stable manner.

-Penguin

[Babalonian]

No getting married until you're 30.  If this pisses her off, and she sticks around for a few more years, you're doing it right.