Sea Cane IIC

[Guppy35]

Actually, I think this thread would be more appropriately entitled Sea Hurricane IC - they took a Hurri I frame, gave the IIc 4 cannon wing and a Merlin XX.  It is a valid wish - they made over 250 of these models between early 42 and summer 43 and they saw plenty of service. 

One thing I also noted from looking around was that these were equipped with 8 rockets and did anti-submarine patrols as well. 

http://plane-crazy.purplecloud.net/Aircraft/WW2-Planes/Hurricane/Pages/hurricane.htm

Plenty of service where? If you want a Sea Hurri, the 8 or 12 MG version would be the one that actually participated in anything.  Operation Torch comes to mind.  The Sea Hurri IIc with rockets would never have been involved with air to air.  Chugging around going that slow, and that heavy might work for a sub hunter, but not one that had to deal with other aircraft.

Fly the Tiffie if you want 4 cannon and rockets.  Too many other birds that would fill gaps that should be done before this ever is considered.

[LCADolby]

Yes you're right, it's a disgraceful. 

I found these pictures of a *cough* Sea Hurricane on a modelling site:

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The leading egde slats were also longer too. Spoilers might put an end to all that tiresome ACM as well, you could just Top Gun anyone on your six with one button press 

JG5 had those  80 (T1 and T2) I believe saw service around Norway 

[Squire]

The Sea Huricane we really need for the SEA but as has been said it would be the machine gun varients that would make sense to model. We would still have the Hurricane IIC im sure...so if you wanted to have cannons roll one of those instead.

[EagleDNY]

Being as a large number of Sea Hurricanes were conversions from land based models, it would not seem to be much of a stretch (or too much work) to drop an arrester hook on a IIc and enable it on CVs. 

+1

[Krusty]

It's not about "stretches"... It's about what they did.

They DID use MG-armed hurricane airframes... Then they DID switch to Wildcats/Hellcats.

They did NOT go to 4x20mm hurricane airframes in between.

In short, it's a cry for a ho/dweeb/llama ride off the carrier. Man up, learn to shoot with MGs, and life will be happier for you.

[EagleDNY]

They did NOT go to 4x20mm hurricane airframes in between.

So I guess this is NOT a picture of a 4 x 20mm armed Sea Hurricane (with 4 rockets) preparing to launch on anti-sub patrol from the HMS Vindex...


and this is NOT a picture of a 4 cannon armed Sea Hurri taking off...

[DMVIAGRA]

So I guess this is NOT a picture of a 4 x 20mm armed Sea Hurricane (with 4 rockets) preparing to launch on anti-sub patrol from the HMS Vindex...
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Launch? You mean land? Look at the bullet holes.

[EagleDNY]

Launch? You mean land? Look at the bullet holes.

Hmmm...  those do appear to be bullet holes (look at the one in the prop).  Patch 'em up and fly 'em again I guess. 
Well, I guess that shows the 4x20mm armed Sea Hurri saw action!

I am a bit surprised they would let him land with ord, but maybe the ord isn't so easy to come by at this point in the game. 

[DMVIAGRA]

Hmmm...  those do appear to be bullet holes (look at the one in the prop).  Patch 'em up and fly 'em again I guess. 
Well, I guess that shows the 4x20mm armed Sea Hurri saw action!

I am a bit surprised they would let him land with ord, but maybe the ord isn't so easy to come by at this point in the game. 

I'm not looking at the Sea Cane for a fighter, but something to de-ack a field. The Hurri D is splendid at the job, only takes one burst, don't think they had a Sea Hurri with a 40mm though. I shall begin research!

[Krusty]

So I guess this is NOT a picture of a 4 x 20mm armed Sea Hurricane (with 4 rockets) preparing to launch on anti-sub patrol from the HMS Vindex...
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and this is NOT a picture of a 4 cannon armed Sea Hurri taking off...
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We've already established that's a prototype. And you can't call that a bullet hole when it's so blurry. I've seen pictures of bullet holes in props up close with crisp photos. That's like 10x too large. They don't seem all that concerned about it either. They seem far more interested on the flight deck in front of them, waiting for a cue to remove the chocks... So yes, takeoff. Not landing. you jettisoned ord before landing, even if you still had it. Better on the bottom of the sea than blowing up in some accident.

[Guppy35]

So I guess this is NOT a picture of a 4 x 20mm armed Sea Hurricane (with 4 rockets) preparing to launch on anti-sub patrol from the HMS Vindex...
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and this is NOT a picture of a 4 cannon armed Sea Hurri taking off...
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Can you scan the image on top any larger?  Only thing bugging me is the rockets look like they have dummy warheads.  They don't look like either operational warhead used on Brit rockets.  I've seen a similar look on Spits testing them.  Can't find the comparable image at the moment but will keep looking

The other thing about the bottom pic is it may also be a Hurri Ic not a IIc

[EagleDNY]

Can you scan the image on top any larger?  Only thing bugging me is the rockets look like they have dummy warheads.  They don't look like either operational warhead used on Brit rockets.  I've seen a similar look on Spits testing them.  Can't find the comparable image at the moment but will keep looking

The other thing about the bottom pic is it may also be a Hurri Ic not a IIc

Those warheads are the 25lb models - remember these guys are hunting U-Boats with them, so they need to use a rocket that will put a hole in a steel plate.  The early 25lb head models are AP.  The RP3 (60 lb head) was a later model that used the same rocket motor and had the bulged head that we see on our rockets in AH.  

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:airborne-rockets-used-by-the-british-during-wwii&catid=44:gunsrockets&Itemid=60

http://books.google.com/books?id=MuGsf0psjvcC&pg=PA420&lpg=PA420&dq=british+25lb+ap+rocket&source=bl&ots=K5VwzeVCbJ&sig=w3e5nLx1LkWZ2Gw2rfJtNpDDKxA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-GpOT6SGH6P30gHVo_HlAg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=british%2025lb%20ap%20rocket&f=false

http://uboat.net/allies/technical/rockets.htm

[Guppy35]

Those warheads are the 25lb models - remember these guys are hunting U-Boats with them, so they need to use a rocket that will put a hole in a steel plate.  The early 25lb head models are AP.  The RP3 (60 lb head) was a later model that used the same rocket motor and had the bulged head that we see on our rockets in AH. 

http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:airborne-rockets-used-by-the-british-during-wwii&catid=44:gunsrockets&Itemid=60

http://uboat.net/allies/technical/rockets.htm

Not my question. I get the difference between 25 and 60.  My point was the heads look like practice dummy warheads not 25 pound warheads.  That is why I was wondering if there was a clearer picture.         

[EagleDNY]

I've got a source for pics on the 25lb practice heads - I'll post the pics when I get them (am waiting for the website to confirm my reg).

[EagleDNY]

25lb 3" Warheads -



The top one is the AP round, and the bottom is the concrete practice round.  I think you are right that the Hurricane on the flight deck with the 4 rockets has practice heads.